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RE: Why millennials are drawn to socialism
May 29, 2018 at 9:49 am
(May 28, 2018 at 1:18 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: (May 24, 2018 at 1:03 pm)Khemikal Wrote: .............................................?
How Germany a socialist country? Have they seized the means of production from the bourgeoisie? No. Have they nationalized all their major industries? No. I mean, it's just changing the definition of socialism to mean "having a modern welfare state." Which doesn't fit any definition of socialism that I know of. Germany even has a socialist political party, but they aren't in power and don't control anything.
So what would a socialist country look like to you?
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RE: Why millennials are drawn to socialism
May 29, 2018 at 10:00 am
(May 28, 2018 at 1:18 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: How Germany a socialist country? Have they seized the means of production from the bourgeoisie? No. Have they nationalized all their major industries? No. I mean, it's just changing the definition of socialism to mean "having a modern welfare state." Which doesn't fit any definition of socialism that I know of. Germany even has a socialist political party, but they aren't in power and don't control anything.
Republicans long ago changed the definition of Socialism to "having any form of welfare"
And then changed the definition of Communism to "being Socialist."
"Tradition" is just a word people use to make themselves feel better about being an asshole.
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RE: Why millennials are drawn to socialism
May 29, 2018 at 10:45 am
(This post was last modified: May 29, 2018 at 10:48 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Much is made of the failure of the soviet union, in these convos. The propagandizing effct of that period is impossible to ignore.
What they tried in the soviet union (whatever a person wants to call it) didn;t just fail on it;s own. It had help. Lots...and lots of help. It had help from the outside in the form of our august selves, and it was tanked from within by shit like lysenkoism and enforced oligarchy (which we're flirting with today, in our own way - and it will be amusing to hear in 50 years over the corpse of our country that american capitalism was fundamentally flawed and yadda yadda yadda). We then ignore where and when socialist policies work, and rebrand -them- as something else™.
We've forgotten that both are tools. It would be strange to see a person throwing all the wrenches out of their kit, on account of the hammer. Just as strange as it is to see the propaganda of the past accepted as a brute fact of reality today. Just as strange as it is that we cannot conceive of a merge between the most functional parts of each tool (even as we do exactly that) being leveraged to create a better final product.
50's era war department economic theory is a historical curiosity, today. Not some guiding principle for a better tomorrow. It;s true that people have desires that cooperation and state level planning really aren't all that good at securing...and it;s also true that people have needs that market competition fails to deliver by design. An obvious solution presents itself.
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RE: Why millennials are drawn to socialism
May 29, 2018 at 12:10 pm
(May 29, 2018 at 9:49 am)Mathilda Wrote: (May 28, 2018 at 1:18 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: How Germany a socialist country? Have they seized the means of production from the bourgeoisie? No. Have they nationalized all their major industries? No. I mean, it's just changing the definition of socialism to mean "having a modern welfare state." Which doesn't fit any definition of socialism that I know of. Germany even has a socialist political party, but they aren't in power and don't control anything.
So what would a socialist country look like to you?
Well the traditional definition of socialism involves the workers owning the means of production to some degree or another. The reality of that normally means state control of bussiness. So one of those things for sure.
How would you define it?
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RE: Why millennials are drawn to socialism
May 29, 2018 at 12:12 pm
I have been a socialist since before millennials were born, I think the youngsters are just starting to catch on to who is their real enemy.
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RE: Why millennials are drawn to socialism
May 29, 2018 at 12:15 pm
(May 29, 2018 at 10:00 am)Divinity Wrote: (May 28, 2018 at 1:18 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: How Germany a socialist country? Have they seized the means of production from the bourgeoisie? No. Have they nationalized all their major industries? No. I mean, it's just changing the definition of socialism to mean "having a modern welfare state." Which doesn't fit any definition of socialism that I know of. Germany even has a socialist political party, but they aren't in power and don't control anything.
Republicans long ago changed the definition of Socialism to "having any form of welfare"
And then changed the definition of Communism to "being Socialist."
How do you define a socialist country? I was in Europe and spent a lot if time around Germans this winter. We talked about their system a lot and honestly, it sounds pretty similar to the U.S. more similar than different.
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RE: Why millennials are drawn to socialism
May 29, 2018 at 12:17 pm
(This post was last modified: May 29, 2018 at 12:17 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
IKR? It;s almost as if we;ve incorporated alot of elements from the typical european social democracy...or something. 
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