porn and women

[*Deidre*]

Not all minds get altered with the same things.... your point?

And why are you throwing out that marxism remark? So you think I'm a marxist? Why do you use that as a negatively charged word? What is marxism, to you?


You base your whole approach to a subject based on the effect it has on a few people?

All minds are affected by things they watch though lol. Marxist mindset, you don't have to openly say you're a marxist to be one or have it's sentiments. People like you call right wingers nazi's all the time which has no merit. No my approach is that porn hurts everyone when consumed at a high rate, just like any addiction.

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Maybe they don’t let it affect their relationships? If some people or couples can view it and not let it interfere with the rest of their lives, then they will be less apt to thinking it’s a negative.


Porn addiction is a real thing though, I think any kind of addiction would be a problem. Having something control you, and you not controlling it, would be a problem.

It's easy to say oh just don't let it affect your relationship, but it does and can. If a married man goes to porn all the time, he's going to have a hard time getting with his less attractive wife. If an incel watches porn all the time, he's going to give up and just stick with porn, which is also a negative neurological effect from porn.

 
Do you feel it should be banned?

Sorry, I haven’t read through a lot of this thread to see specific views. :/

[The Grand Nudger]

The mor-men would certainly like to see that happen, which is why they;ve been pushing this nonsense...though it;s been a perennial favorite for the christian right since, well.. forever.

[brewer]

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Thanks, seen that. This addresses addiction. I'll agree that addictive brains are different, I own one. 

But you stated that it changes brain structure. Neither of these articles addresses changing structure. 

So, which came first, the addictive brain or the porn?

Edit: Interesting avatar.

You've seen this evidence but reject it's premise, fine by me if you don't want to admit porn has negative consequences on the brain and it's neurology.

You said change the structure, the evidence you provided did not support that. I never stated that porn might have a negative consequence, for some. 

Thanks for tap dancing. Can you also fox trot?

[Amarok]

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You've seen this evidence but reject it's premise, fine by me if you don't want to admit porn has negative consequences on the brain and it's neurology.

You said change the structure, the evidence you provided did not support that. I never stated that porn might have a negative consequence, for some. 

Thanks for tap dancing. Can you also fox trot?

And he's not even all that good at tap dancing

[brewer]

You said change the structure, the evidence you provided did not support that. I never stated that porn might have a negative consequence, for some. 

Thanks for tap dancing. Can you also fox trot?

And he's not even all that good at tap dancing

I'd be willing to concede that he misspoke about changing brain structure and might have some valid points regarding excessive/addictive porn consumption.

He'll have to make the first move though. Based on his user name I'm not gonna hold my breath. 

Until then, I'm off to watch some............um ...........er .............videos.

[The Grand Nudger]

Can;t remember where I read it, and certainly wouldn;t vouch for it as fact...but there was an estimate that a third of internet traffic at some point was/is porn.  If that were even remotely true, and porn was the meth of videos...I figure we;d have already seen the fall of civilization.

[Fireball]

You know how closeted conflicted gays rail at open homosexuals? Methinks ol' Xwhatever's dick is broke and he's taking it out on the internet.

[*Deidre*]

The mor-men would certainly like to see that happen, which is why they;ve been pushing this nonsense...though it;s been a perennial favorite for the christian right since, well.. forever.

Meanwhile, Christian men who view porn supposedly mirrors the average of non-religious men. That’s not a judgement from me but a lot of Christians struggle with sexual sin, some more so than the average person because of all the built in shame tactics that go into just having normal sexual thoughts. When the Christian conservatives start throwing stones, they really should sell their glass houses first.

[The Grand Nudger]

That;s the endgame, certainly, to more deeply stigmatize porn for the efficient production of shame.  In what must be a brilliant stroke of luck™, religion sells the cure to the disease they manufacture.

[Aroura]

100% depends on the porn depicted.

Is it depicting a healthy, consensual, happy sexual relationship? (This can still include all sorts of kink.  The important point is if it is portrayed as consensual and positive for the woman and the man, both).  Then no, it isn't harmful.  I would even argue this sort of porn can be beneficial to how males view women in general, their wives in particular.

Is it depicting a sick relationship, where some woman comes onto her boss for a raise, or has sex with men in anything other than a positive, consensual way?  Then yes, it is absolutely harmful.  And yes, I am aware this probably describes a large portion of porn on the internet.

But porn alone is no more harmful than most of our mass media, where women are depicted as saying no, but meaning just keep trying and you'll catch me!  Or where sexual assault is framed as romance in blockbuster films. Remember when Leia told Han she wasn't interested in no uncertain terms, and his response was to back her into a wall and forcibly kiss her?  Romantic, right? (Does anyone really wonder why their relationship failed and their kid is a dumpster fire emo wreck?).  I pick this one example, but this is HUGELY pervasive in popular movies, and I would argue is at least as harmful as any porn.






In Goldfinger, James Bond fully rapes Pussy Galore.  The result?  She falls in love with him.
In The Mask of Zoro, the female lead tries to kill Antonio Banderas, who precedes to strip her naked with a blade, then force a kiss on her.  The Result?  You guessed it!  She falls in love.
Indian Jones assaults 2 women in his movies.
And Harrison Ford is such a gem, in Blade Runner, he absolutely assaults a woman (android) and forces her to ask him to kiss her, all while she is clearly afraid of him until....she finally falls in love with him.  All of this assault scene is framed as romantic.  But watch it from about 2:30. Watch while she rejects his advances, tries to escape, repeats his demands in clear fear, and then succumbs.  And read the comments about how beautiful and romantic this scene is.  Then think about healthy female relationship portrayals onscreen again.





Assault them or stalk them until they love you, a super common hollywood trope.  Shouldn't we all realize that's more harmful than a healthy depiction of a couple having sex? 

Porn in and of itself is not harmful.  Just like movies, TV and video games in and of themselves are not harmful.  But they all CAN be harmful, depending on the message the content conveys.