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RE: The Testimony of Nathan
August 28, 2018 at 6:59 pm
(August 28, 2018 at 12:00 pm)Caligvla XXI Wrote: I had mentioned this in passing in another thread, but I believe it needs a thread of its own. There's a slim volume out on Amazon.com with the title The Testimony of Nathan Son of Isaac Concerning Jesus of Nazareth translated from the Greek by Ben Armhardt. It has been tentatively dated to the eleventh century but purports to be written by a contemporary of Jesus who debunks certain of the miracles and the resurrection. If authentic--i.e. a copy of something that was actually written in the first century--it would really do in Christianity. However, it would also do in the mythicists as well. I'm still trying to figure out what to make of it. Any textual critics in the house?
There is absolutely ZERO evidence of the character of "Jesus" outside the bible, that matches with what the bible claims. The Romans never made mention of him during the time the bible claims he existed. All the NT was written after the character was claim to have existed in the bible.
The only thing that the bible proves is people wrote a book of claims. Certainly it was based on a movement otherwise Christianity wouldn't have existed. But there still is no truth to magic babies with super powers, nor can a human being survive rigor mortis after having all the blood drained out of their body and being dead for days.
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RE: The Testimony of Nathan
August 28, 2018 at 7:00 pm
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RE: The Testimony of Nathan
August 28, 2018 at 8:21 pm
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(August 28, 2018 at 4:26 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Sure, if it meant "debunking" their theological, ideological, or political rivals. Similarly, when do you think christians got super prude, the eleventh century, the first century....or the sixteenth century?
So Christians would make up a story about a Jew debunking the miracles and resurrection of Jesus in order to debunk the Jews? And what Christians in any century would have made up a story about Jesus being manually aroused and fellated by a "courtesan" as he hung on the cross?
(August 28, 2018 at 6:53 pm)Jehanne Wrote: maybe it's a sham
The translator states that it could be either a modern forgery or an eleventh century forgery; tests have yet to be done on the actual manuscript to ascertain its age. He admits that for it to be a copy of a first century exemplar would be the most remote possibility.
(August 28, 2018 at 6:59 pm)Brian37 Wrote: nor can a human being survive rigor mortis after having all the blood drained out of their body and being dead for days
No shit?
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RE: The Testimony of Nathan
August 28, 2018 at 10:50 pm
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(August 28, 2018 at 8:21 pm)Caligvla XXI Wrote: (August 28, 2018 at 4:26 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Sure, if it meant "debunking" their theological, ideological, or political rivals. Similarly, when do you think christians got super prude, the eleventh century, the first century....or the sixteenth century?
So Christians would make up a story about a Jew debunking the miracles and resurrection of Jesus in order to debunk the Jews? And what Christians in any century would have made up a story about Jesus being manually aroused and fellated by a "courtesan" as he hung on the cross?
They made up weirder stories than that. I'm not getting the sense of surprise, regardless of whether or not this particular story ends up being more fake than any of the others.
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RE: The Testimony of Nathan
August 29, 2018 at 7:03 am
(August 28, 2018 at 8:21 pm)Caligvla XXI Wrote: (August 28, 2018 at 4:26 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Sure, if it meant "debunking" their theological, ideological, or political rivals. Similarly, when do you think christians got super prude, the eleventh century, the first century....or the sixteenth century?
So Christians would make up a story about a Jew debunking the miracles and resurrection of Jesus in order to debunk the Jews? And what Christians in any century would have made up a story about Jesus being manually aroused and fellated by a "courtesan" as he hung on the cross?
(August 28, 2018 at 6:53 pm)Jehanne Wrote: maybe it's a sham
The translator states that it could be either a modern forgery or an eleventh century forgery; tests have yet to be done on the actual manuscript to ascertain its age. He admits that for it to be a copy of a first century exemplar would be the most remote possibility.
(August 28, 2018 at 6:59 pm)Brian37 Wrote: nor can a human being survive rigor mortis after having all the blood drained out of their body and being dead for days
No shit?
It is almost certainly a sham, a modern-day forgery. Don't pay any more attention to it, I would (quoting Yoda).
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RE: The Testimony of Nathan
September 10, 2018 at 9:47 pm
Greek scholars discussing the Testimony on another forum. If it's a sham, the author certainly did his homework.
http://www.textkit.com/greek-latin-forum...23&t=68369
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RE: The Testimony of Nathan
September 10, 2018 at 9:59 pm
Discussing their certainty of it being a sham, lol.
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RE: The Testimony of Nathan
September 11, 2018 at 1:26 am
(August 28, 2018 at 4:26 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Sure, if it meant "debunking" their theological, ideological, or political rivals. Similarly, when do you think christians got super prude, the eleventh century, the first century....or the sixteenth century?
Dunno but some of those Christian girls are wild as fuck.
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RE: The Testimony of Nathan
September 11, 2018 at 12:48 pm
(September 10, 2018 at 9:59 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Discussing their certainty of it being a sham, lol.
But not on the basis of the Greek passage that was quoted in transliteration.
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RE: The Testimony of Nathan
September 11, 2018 at 1:09 pm
What else can I say, bud? I'm no more impressed than any of the folks you linked us to.
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