Objective Morality?

[fr0d0]

I offered to debate you on several different premises but apparently debate is not your cup of tea?

You got it.

[Minimalist]

I don't approve of their sin, but it doesn't mean I hate them.

Hmmm....I don't approve of them shoving their dicks up some other guys asshole....but I don't consider it a "sin."

"Sin" is for bible-thumping fools.

[Cinjin]

I don't approve of their sin, but it doesn't mean I hate them.

Hmmm....I don't approve of them shoving their dicks up some other guys asshole....but I don't consider it a "sin."

"Sin" is for bible-thumping fools.

Good point Min. What is sin? It doesn't even have to do with religion anymore. It's all who you talk to.

[Zen Badger]

People have a choice as to how to react to what their conscience is telling them. How they act is not a measure for the existence of an absolute standard. It is your god given conscience which tells you what that standard is. That people can compromise, or sear their own consciences is a given.

What a meaningless statement.
Again I ask, where is this "Absolute Morality?
Lots of people are quite happy to murder and pillage in the name of your god, who I might add is rather partial to genocide according to your bible.
Morality exists only within people, nowhere else. It is thus utterly, utterly subjective.
And you have yet to show otherwise.

The change in the OT law was due to the change of priesthood from levitical, which was for Israel, to Melchizedek, an eternal priesthood. When the priesthood changed the cermonial and sacrificial laws were made obsolete because Jesus fulfilled all of those things. This doesn't mean none of the laws from the OT are valid, just the ones that apply specifically to the observance of jewish law as it applies to the levitical priesthood. As far as a law against homosexuality, that is in the NT as well.

As to christians not having to follow the OT.

"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)

Or doesn't that count either?

P.s that bit was from a CHRISTIAN website http://www.answering-christianity.com/ot.htm

[leo-rcc]

P.s that bit was from a CHRISTIAN website http://www.answering-christianity.com/ot.htm

Sorry, no it isn't. Answering-christianity is a website launched by Muslims to counter the Answering-Islam site some Christians put up.

[KichigaiNeko]

And yet the two groups are going to get into bed together to "combat atheism"

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How insecure do you want to be with your deity??

[Zen Badger]

P.s that bit was from a CHRISTIAN website http://www.answering-christianity.com/ot.htm

Sorry, no it isn't. Answering-christianity is a website launched by Muslims to counter the Answering-Islam site some Christians put up.

This is the opening sentence...."Many times when I enter a debate with fellow Christians and present verses from the Old Testament to them about some of life's laws and issues that were given to the Jews from GOD Almighty, they immediately give me answers such as "Oh, this is an old testament law that we Christians don't have to follow...." I find that to be quite an interesting statement."

So they must be mis-representing themselves.

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An the bit I quoted is in the bible.

[leo-rcc]

P.s that bit was from a CHRISTIAN website http://www.answering-christianity.com/ot.htm

Sorry, no it isn't. Answering-christianity is a website launched by Muslims to counter the Answering-Islam site some Christians put up.

This is the opening sentence...."Many times when I enter a debate with fellow Christians and present verses from the Old Testament to them about some of life's laws and issues that were given to the Jews from GOD Almighty, they immediately give me answers such as "Oh, this is an old testament law that we Christians don't have to follow...." I find that to be quite an interesting statement."

So they must be mis-representing themselves.

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An the bit I quoted is in the bible.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm
This is their main page, seriously, check it out and the conclude for yourself.

Also:

Authors on this Site:

In alphabetical order:

Abdullah Smith. (new convert to Islam)

Abdul-Rahman (Brent) Klimaszewski. (new convert to Islam)

Adeel Khan.

Ahmed Eldin. (new convert to Islam)

Bassam Zawadi. Also, his web site is: http://www.Call-To-Monotheism.com

Issa Ahmed Khalid (new convert to Islam)

Karim. (new convert to Islam) Also, his web site is: http://www.Islamic-Answers.com

Mahir

Mucahit Sivri

Dr. Munir Munshey.

Noor Adeen. (new convert to Islam)

Osama Abdallah.

Sami Zaatari. Also, his web site is: http://www.Muslim-Responses.com

Shadid. (new convert to Islam)

Suhail Khalid.

Umar.

Umar Hassan.

Yahya Ahmed.


Waiting for more Muslim authors....

That the bit quoted is in the bible is not the point, you said it was from a Christian website which it is clearly not.

[lucent]

No, that isn't a Christian website, and not only that but it appears to be deliberately misleading. I find it hard to believe that having studied Christianity at length they wouldn't have such elementry knowledge about the New Covenant..

The reason that some Old Testament laws, such as the cermonial law, are not practiced today is because when Christ came there was a change of priesthoods, from the levitical to melchizedek. Christ, being the all-sufficient sacrifice, fulfilled the requirements of the law, which was given only to Israel for that time and place. Christians still follow the basic moral law of the OT, but those laws relating to the propitiation of sin and governance of Israel have been fulfilled in Christ and are no longer relevent.

P.s that bit was from a CHRISTIAN website http://www.answering-christianity.com/ot.htm

Sorry, no it isn't. Answering-christianity is a website launched by Muslims to counter the Answering-Islam site some Christians put up.

This is the opening sentence...."Many times when I enter a debate with fellow Christians and present verses from the Old Testament to them about some of life's laws and issues that were given to the Jews from GOD Almighty, they immediately give me answers such as "Oh, this is an old testament law that we Christians don't have to follow...." I find that to be quite an interesting statement."

So they must be mis-representing themselves.

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An the bit I quoted is in the bible.

[Statler Waldorf]

Hmmm....I don't approve of them shoving their dicks up some other guys asshole....but I don't consider it a "sin."

"Sin" is for bible-thumping fools.

Why do you not approve of it?