Mostly bizarre.

[chimp3]

So..a nine year old child that is raped and murdered is paying a debt?

You still are not answering the question.


Answer first so from there we can start to see all the rest.  

I already know your belief about child rape. This is not the first time I have baited you into exposing your dark.side. I just enjoy toying with you. I hope you don't have children of your own.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Clearly, you missed (or - what is more likely - ignored) this bit:

'Thousands of experiments confirm the hypothesis that neurochemical processes produce subjective experiences.'

An experiment which confirms an hypothesis qualifies as evidence.  What there is NO evidence for is the loopy idea that consciousness proceeds (or persists, if you like) without neurochemical processes.  Neurochemical processes have never, ever, not once, been observed to occur in a dead brain.

You're an idiot.

Boru

FOOL.  

Why there should be neurochemical processes once the consciousness has left the brain?
Do you expect a wreck of a vehicle with no driver to show any activity?

Once again you show that you know nothing about the relation between consciousness and brain-body.

Go back to school boy.  

Matthew 5:22 '...but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.'

Study scripture, boy.

Boru

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If you expect evidence from physical science you will wait for ever and ever.

If you can never provide any evidence for something and yet you believe in it anyway you are irrational.

Consciousness is an abstract entity which is outside the physical reality therefore impossible to understand in a physical way

Consciousness is, from all the available evidence, an effect produced by the electrical and chemical interactions in a functioning brain. We have much to learn yet but can detect and measure it and it is very much tied to the physical world. There is not a shred of evidence for any non-physical thing affecting it.

but if you are an attentive scholar in what make sense so to speak then you will understand that evolution is there for a reason which is to lead life to a goal.

You are simply wrong. Evolution has no goal. It is simply the process of filtering random changes in species through the sieve of changes in the environment.

Well, there's your problem.  I am in physical contact with my vehicle but I am not connected to it.  Please demonstrate the "you" that is separate from your physical brian and show that it can be disconnected and remain intact.  I'll wait.

There is problem unfogg.
We are not the one who establish these connections.
Of course we can terminate the connection via a suicide but most people terminate the connection when their body die.
As far as remain intact in a way it does but with a big IF.
If for intact we mean that it never die then yes but if for intact we mean that it was with the previous awareness then no.
Why should it be considering that the awareness can increase or decrease according to our achievement or our bad life?

Please stop just rambling and provide evidence that the "person" is not their body and that we are something else that is merely interacting with the physical bodies and not an effect of the operation of those bodies. I'll wait.

Wow.  An utter lack of understanding about evolution as well.  Evolution has no goal.

That is a typical atheist dogma that prevent a person to understand how the system works.
Why on earth there is evolution if there is no goal?
WHY?

You keep asking the wrong questions. "Why" assumes that there is an intentional purpose behind it which brings your conclusion into your premise. Until you can demonstrate that there is a purpose you don't get to just assume it exists.

Yes, but based on subconscious evaluation of the evidence I already have.  The fact that the conscious mind does not have access to the details of the operation of the subconscious doesn't make what is happening any less a natural function of a working brain.

What is the point in having a fortune when you can not use it?
Intelligent people use what is theirs.
Fools on the other hand do not.  

I am using what I have; My subconscious is as much a part of me as my conscious thoughts are. I simply bow to the evidence that they are both a pat of how the brain works.

You surely need ........the ability to reason.........but you also need a good teacher.
Evidence will come later.  

It is truly sad to see somebody so bogged down in irrational woo. Reasoning without evidence is worthless.

Consciousness is real but we can not see it, touch it smell it, taste it and so on however we can grasp it in a total different way but I suppose it would be too difficult for you to understand.  

You are right, I will never understand why anybody believes stuff they simply make up to make themselves feel better instead of trying to understand what is actually real. I really do pity you.

[Little Rik]

FOOL.  

Why there should be neurochemical processes once the consciousness has left the brain?
Do you expect a wreck of a vehicle with no driver to show any activity?

Once again you show that you know nothing about the relation between consciousness and brain-body.

Go back to school boy.  

Matthew 5:22 '...but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.'

Study scripture, boy.

Boru

Matthew?

Oh, yes Matthew my working mate of course.
No, actually he never said that to me.

But eh, wait a moment Bor.
You probably mean that Matthew that lives few thousand years ago isn't it Bor?

Unfortunately we know very little about what these guys really said.
Everything has been distorted by corrupted priests.
The same demons that invented the hell that is why I don't believe what religions say.  

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At work.

I'll just mention again that Little Rik's link goes to people recounting their experiences.  People who are very much both alive as well as very much physical.

My question to Little Rik, given the tail end of their post, is that;

IF there is NO interaction (You state there's no touching, tasting etc) then exactly HOW does said consciousness interact back the other way?

If we can not interact with it. How does it interact with us?

Cheers.

You start from a position that a body-brain is necessary to establish an interaction with the consciousness.

There is no need for that.
Thousand of NDEs already demonstrated that you are YOU no matter what.
In fact without a body-brain you are much much better.
It is like when you get out your car after being stuck inside for a lifetime.
That is what freedom is all about PT.  

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You still are not answering the question.


Answer first so from there we can start to see all the rest.  

I already know your belief about child rape. This is not the first time I have baited you into exposing your dark.side. I just enjoy toying with you. I hope you don't have children of your own.

Failed again and again by not being able to answer a simple question.
Obviously you are aware that by answering my question all your BS will tumble down in the sewer so you try to postpone the inevitable and inescapable.  

In any case you lose and show what sort of fool you are.  

[unfogged]

Thousand of NDEs already demonstrated that you are YOU no matter what.

The most that NDEs demonstrate is that when people are recovering from severe trauma they sometimes have strange dreams.

[Little Rik]

If you expect evidence from physical science you will wait for ever and ever.

If you can never provide any evidence for something and yet you believe in it anyway you are irrational.

Wrong once again Unfogg.
It is not me that is unable to provide evidence in this case.
It is the physical science that is unable to understand what is not physical such as the consciousness.
Do you get it now?  

Consciousness is an abstract entity which is outside the physical reality therefore impossible to understand in a physical way

Consciousness is, from all the available evidence, an effect produced by the electrical and chemical interactions in a functioning brain. We have much to learn yet but can detect and measure it and it is very much tied to the physical world.  There is not a shred of evidence for any non-physical thing affecting it.

Under physical science ....all available evidence ..........are all hypothesis which of course have zero to do with evidence.  

but if you are an attentive scholar in what make sense so to speak then you will understand that evolution is there for a reason which is to lead life to a goal.

You are simply wrong.  Evolution has no goal.  It is simply the process of filtering random changes in species through the sieve of changes in the environment.

That is garbage unfogg.
If you read NDEs experiences you will understand that a clear reason is there for evolution to exist.

There is problem unfogg.
We are not the one who establish these connections.
Of course we can terminate the connection via a suicide but most people terminate the connection when their body die.
As far as remain intact in a way it does but with a big IF.
If for intact we mean that it never die then yes but if for intact we mean that it was with the previous awareness then no.
Why should it be considering that the awareness can increase or decrease according to our achievement or our bad life?

Please stop just rambling and provide evidence that the "person" is not their body and that we are something else that is merely interacting with the physical bodies and not an effect of the operation of those bodies.  I'll wait.

That is something that will pop up in your mind once you stop being a materialist.
Matter is very very contagious.
It make believe that you are what in reality you are not.
The knowledge come with the desire to get out the physical bondage so first of all you will have to overcome the canary syndrome in which a little bird living in a cage has forgotten what his wings are there for.  

That is a typical atheist dogma that prevent a person to understand how the system works.
Why on earth there is evolution if there is no goal?
WHY?

You keep asking the wrong questions.  "Why" assumes that there is an intentional purpose behind it which brings your conclusion into your premise.   Until you can demonstrate that there is a purpose you don't get to just assume it exists.

It is all very very simple or can be very very difficult at the same time.
If you understand that there is a lot to be learn then you may work in that sense and improve yourself.
On the other hand if you think that this is all you got then there will not be any progress.
By thinking that there is no goal in evolution you lose straight away and throw away the opportunity to go ahead.
That is what most atheists do.

What is the point in having a fortune when you can not use it?
Intelligent people use what is theirs.
Fools on the other hand do not.  

I am using what I have;  My subconscious is as much a part of me as my conscious thoughts are.  I simply bow to the evidence that they are both a pat of how the brain works.

Obviously you are not using what you got wisely.
If you would you would engage in discovering that science that able you to get all the knowledge within.  

You surely need ........the ability to reason.........but you also need a good teacher.
Evidence will come later.  

It is truly sad to see somebody so bogged down in irrational woo.  Reasoning without evidence is worthless.

If you want to get your hands on a nugget of gold that lie underground you obviously must dig and dig.
In the same way if you want evidence of who you really are you got to dig and dig within in your subconscious mind.
That type of science is known in yoga as intuitional science.

Consciousness is real but we can not see it, touch it smell it, taste it and so on however we can grasp it in a total different way but I suppose it would be too difficult for you to understand.  

You are right, I will never understand why anybody believes stuff they simply make up to make themselves feel better instead of trying to understand what is actually real.  I really do pity you.

Is the time real?
If you can understand this question then you would know what is real and what it isn't.  

[chimp3]

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I already know your belief about child rape. This is not the first time I have baited you into exposing your dark.side. I just enjoy toying with you. I hope you don't have children of your own.

Failed again and again by not being able to answer a simple question.
Obviously you are aware that by answering my question all your BS will tumble down in the sewer so you try to postpone the inevitable and inescapable.  

In any case you lose and show what sort of fool you are.  

OK! Yes, people should pay their debts! Now, let us watch your twisted mind tie that to child rape......

[Little Rik]

Thousand of NDEs already demonstrated that you are YOU no matter what.

The most that NDEs demonstrate is that when people are recovering from severe trauma they sometimes have strange dreams.

You do not pay any attention to what is written in that site.
There are real people, real accidents, real doctors and hospital and real witnesses that verify what is said and the reality of their experiences.
What else you need to make you happy?  

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Failed again and again by not being able to answer a simple question.
Obviously you are aware that by answering my question all your BS will tumble down in the sewer so you try to postpone the inevitable and inescapable.  

In any case you lose and show what sort of fool you are.  

OK! Yes, people should pay their debts! Now, let us watch your twisted mind tie that to child rape......

Among all dogmaS that most atheists carry in their mind there is the one that total life end with the physical death.
Once atheists get deep in this dogma they will find impossible to understand all the rest so to think that a debt has got to be repay in future lives doesn't make any sense because according to them there is not any future life.
From this dogma a multitude of other dogmas pop up as per magic and you guys find yourself in a sea of dogmas which will make very very difficult to understand anything.
In karma whether we are dealing with a little girl or an old ugly man the situation is such that in reality nobody lose his-her life because physical death is not the death of the self.
Life continue regardless.

As much as you I also hate to see a little girl suffering however the difference between me and you is that I am not an hypocrite like you that go around in a blaming drive and at the same time until now you did refuse to tell whether people should or should not pay for their debts.

SHAME ON YOU chimp.  

[chimp3]

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OK! Yes, people should pay their debts! Now, let us watch your twisted mind tie that to child rape......

Among all dogmaS that most atheists carry in their mind there is the one that total life end with the physical death.
Once atheists get deep in this dogma they will find impossible to understand all the rest so to think that a debt has got to be repay in future lives doesn't make any sense because according to them there is not any future life.
From this dogma a multitude of other dogmas pop up as per magic and you guys find yourself in a sea of dogmas which will make very very difficult to understand anything.
In karma whether we are dealing with a little girl or an old ugly man the situation is such that in reality nobody lose his-her life because physical death is not the death of the self.
Life continue regardless.

As much as you I also hate to see a little girl suffering however the difference between me and you is that I am not an hypocrite like you that go around in a blaming drive and at the same time until now you did refuse to tell whether people should or should not pay for their debts.

SHAME ON YOU chimp.  

So,  a few years ago a local 9 year old girl was raped, strangled, then drowned in a creek.Did she deserve this?  Do you consider her murderer an avenging angel?

[unfogged]

If you can never provide any evidence for something and yet you believe in it anyway you are irrational.

Wrong once again Unfogg.
It is not me that is unable to provide evidence in this case.
It is the physical science that is unable to understand what is not physical such as the consciousness.
Do you get it now?  

What I get is that you believe things before you have any evidence for them. You claim that consciousness exists apart from the physical body and I'm still waiting for ANY evidence of a consciousness outside a body or ANY evidence of a mechanism that could support that.

Consciousness is an abstract entity which is outside the physical reality therefore impossible to understand in a physical way

If you have no way to test what you believe about consciousness then you have no rational reason to believe it is true.

Under physical science ....all available evidence ..........are all hypothesis which of course have zero to do with evidence.

If you read NDEs experiences you will understand that a clear reason is there for evolution to exist.

NDEs are a collection of worthless anecdotes.

Please stop just rambling and provide evidence that the "person" is not their body and that we are something else that is merely interacting with the physical bodies and not an effect of the operation of those bodies.  I'll wait.

That is something that will pop up in your mind once you stop being a materialist.
Matter is very very contagious.
It make believe that you are what in reality you are not.
The knowledge come with the desire to get out the physical bondage so first of all you will have to overcome the canary syndrome in which a little bird living in a cage has forgotten what his wings are there for.

Utter gibberish. I believe things that have demonstrable evidence for them. To tell me that I will get the evidence if I'd only believe first is never going to convince me because I am not willing to abandon reason. That way lies madness as your posts so admirably exhibit.

... more gibberish...

When you have evidence for your beliefs come back and present it. As I said before, you have no understanding of your audience. What you are spouting has no substance and no value because there is no way to distinguish your rantings from those of anybody else. You've abandoned reality to live in a dream and I don't care to live that way.