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RE: An unhinged mob
October 16, 2018 at 12:26 pm
(October 15, 2018 at 12:49 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I don't think that anyone was suggesting that someone can just mow into a crowd of protestors with a car. My understanding of that was that if you are in a bad situation then you have the right to protect yourself, and get out of that situation. If a person is injured or even killed trying to block your car and your escape from that, then it is a matter of self defense. I would agree with that. You go slowly, and they are not allowed to impede your progress. If they attack your car (because they are unhinged crazy people), then that justifies more haste to get out of the situation.
I think that you need to read more than just the headlines in select articles.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/1-dead-19-i...ttesville/
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RE: An unhinged mob
October 16, 2018 at 12:35 pm
(October 16, 2018 at 12:26 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: (October 15, 2018 at 12:49 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I don't think that anyone was suggesting that someone can just mow into a crowd of protestors with a car. My understanding of that was that if you are in a bad situation then you have the right to protect yourself, and get out of that situation. If a person is injured or even killed trying to block your car and your escape from that, then it is a matter of self defense. I would agree with that. You go slowly, and they are not allowed to impede your progress. If they attack your car (because they are unhinged crazy people), then that justifies more haste to get out of the situation.
I think that you need to read more than just the headlines in select articles.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/1-dead-19-i...ttesville/
For clarification and precision for those who may have misunderstood my first sentence: I offer the following modification.
I don't think that anyone was suggesting that someone should just mow into a crowd of protestors with a car.
Of course if you're a moral subjectivist, then the answer is: it depends on the person.
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RE: An unhinged mob
October 16, 2018 at 12:39 pm
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Concerning bills introduced to protect drivers who run over protesters:
https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/legisl...index.html
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RE: An unhinged mob
October 16, 2018 at 12:42 pm
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(October 16, 2018 at 12:35 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (October 16, 2018 at 12:26 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/1-dead-19-i...ttesville/
For clarification and precision for those who may have misunderstood my first sentence: I offer the following modification.
I don't think that anyone was suggesting that someone should just mow into a crowd of protestors with a car.
Of course if you're a moral subjectivist, then the answer is: it depends on the person.
Pretty interesting to watch the one who obsesses about the shaky ground moral subjectivists stand upon actually equivocating in a case like this. Calling your morals objective doesn't make them so.
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RE: An unhinged mob
October 16, 2018 at 12:51 pm
Republicans and cable news people are concern-trolling the Dems about "overreaching" against Kavanaugh but McConnell's announcement about cutting Social Security and Medicare with three weeks out is at least as damaging to the republicans, if not far, far worse. This is what Dems should be using.
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RE: An unhinged mob
October 16, 2018 at 3:09 pm
(This post was last modified: October 16, 2018 at 3:13 pm by RoadRunner79.)
(October 16, 2018 at 12:26 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: (October 15, 2018 at 12:49 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I don't think that anyone was suggesting that someone can just mow into a crowd of protestors with a car. My understanding of that was that if you are in a bad situation then you have the right to protect yourself, and get out of that situation. If a person is injured or even killed trying to block your car and your escape from that, then it is a matter of self defense. I would agree with that. You go slowly, and they are not allowed to impede your progress. If they attack your car (because they are unhinged crazy people), then that justifies more haste to get out of the situation.
I think that you need to read more than just the headlines in select articles.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/1-dead-19-i...ttesville/
That seems to be pretty much what I was saying... thanks!
(October 16, 2018 at 12:42 pm)Whateverist Wrote: (October 16, 2018 at 12:35 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: For clarification and precision for those who may have misunderstood my first sentence: I offer the following modification.
I don't think that anyone was suggesting that someone should just mow into a crowd of protestors with a car.
Of course if you're a moral subjectivist, then the answer is: it depends on the person.
Pretty interesting to watch the one who obsesses about the shaky ground moral subjectivists stand upon actually equivocating in a case like this. Calling your morals objective doesn't make them so.
Nothing there makes morality subjective or objective either way. Also, I didn’t change my view at all her, just clarified something. And with a subjective morality one doesn’t really have any complaint other than to say that our feelings on what is immoral are different, which is all the subjectivist is appealing to; to begin with.
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RE: An unhinged mob
October 16, 2018 at 3:19 pm
(October 16, 2018 at 12:51 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Republicans and cable news people are concern-trolling the Dems about "overreaching" against Kavanaugh but McConnell's announcement about cutting Social Security and Medicare with three weeks out is at least as damaging to the republicans, if not far, far worse. This is what Dems should be using.
Republicans are masters at throwing shiny objects and fictional carrots at their gullible supporters to get them to vote against their own self interests.
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RE: An unhinged mob
October 16, 2018 at 3:30 pm
(October 16, 2018 at 8:00 am)alpha male Wrote: (October 15, 2018 at 5:51 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: And you're saying that antifa represents the left?
Plenty of lefties argued that the KKK represents the right.
I was asking RR specifically because he appeared to be making the argument that certain extreme opinions do not adequately represent the right, but appeared to be endorsing the opinion that the extreme views of antifa do adequately represent the left. I find this differing standard troubling. But thank you for your contribution.
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RE: An unhinged mob
October 16, 2018 at 3:40 pm
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Quote:Plenty of lefties argued that the KKK represents the right.
Which doesn't refute Jorm's point
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RE: An unhinged mob
October 16, 2018 at 3:42 pm
(October 16, 2018 at 3:30 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: (October 16, 2018 at 8:00 am)alpha male Wrote: Plenty of lefties argued that the KKK represents the right.
I was asking RR specifically because he appeared to be making the argument that certain extreme opinions do not adequately represent the right, but appeared to be endorsing the opinion that the extreme views of antifa do adequately represent the left. I find this differing standard troubling. But thank you for your contribution.
It seems that Democrat deputy chair Ellison supports anifta, while some are on the fence. But all you have to do, is separate yourself from them. I stated, that I don’t support the white supremacists in cause or action. It would also seem that saying that Democrats can’t be civil with all this stuff going on, is moving towards anifta not away.
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