Treasures from the Houshold of guidance.

[Mystic]

Hamzah ibn al Tayyar was reproducing some of the speeches of the father of Abu `Abd Allah (i.e. al-'Imam al-Baqir [A]) in his presence. When he reached a point the Imam (A) said: "Stop and be silent." Then he added, "When something comes to you that you don't know, your duty in such a case is nothing but to halt, to verify it and refer it to the Imam of guidance (a'immat al-huda), who will lead you to what is right, clarify that which was obscure for you and acquaint you with the truth therein. God Almighty has said:

`ask the family of the reminder, if you know not."' (16:43)

[WinterHold]

Hamzah ibn al Tayyar was reproducing some of the speeches of the father of Abu `Abd Allah (i.e. al-'Imam al-Baqir [A]) in his presence. When he reached a point the Imam (A) said: "Stop and be silent." Then he added, "When something comes to you that you don't know, your duty in such a case is nothing but to halt, to verify it and refer it to the Imam of guidance (a'immat al-huda), who will lead you to what is right, clarify that which was obscure for you and acquaint you with the truth therein. God Almighty has said:

`ask the family of the reminder, if you know not."' (16:43)

No wonder you post in an atheist forum so you don't get exposed for twisting the literal meaning of the Quran.
Real verse:

Sura 16, Verse 43, The Quran:

https://quran.com/16/43?translations=102...,85,101,17

Dr. Ghali
And in no way did We send (even) before you, except men to whom We revealed. "So ask the population of the Remembrance, in case you (i.e. the pagan Arabs) do not know."

Muhsin Khan
And We sent not (as Our Messengers) before you (O Muhammad SAW) any but men, whom We inspired, (to preach and invite mankind to believe in the Oneness of Allah). So ask of those who know the Scripture [learned men of the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)], if you know not.

Pickthall
And We sent not (as Our messengers) before thee other than men whom We inspired - Ask the followers of the Remembrance if ye know not! -
Sahih International
And We sent not before you except men to whom We revealed [Our message]. So ask the people of the message if you do not know.

Mufti Taqi Usmani
We did not send (messengers) before you other than men whom We inspired with revelation. So, ask the people (having the knowledge) of the Reminder (the earlier Scriptures), if you do not know.

Abdul Haleem
[Prophet], all the messengers We sent before you were simply men to whom We had given the Revelation: you [people] can ask those who have knowledge if you do not know.

Dr. Mustafa Khattab, The Clear Quran
We did not send ˹messengers˺ before you ˹O Prophet˺ except mere men inspired by Us. If you ˹polytheists˺ do not know ˹this already˺, then ask those who have knowledge ˹of the Scriptures˺.

Dr. Mustafa Khattab
We did not send ˹messengers˺ before you ˹O Prophet˺ except mere men inspired by Us. If you ˹polytheists˺ do not know ˹this already˺, then ask those who have knowledge ˹of the Scriptures˺.

Isn't preaching + spamming + spreading of false information -even if it concerned religion- is hurting the place's authenticity and also demolishing the rule of authentic debate between atheists and theists in the forum?

You are literally posting wrong translation and lie about it, using the members' general ignorance in Arabic. Advertising and doing the dirty missionary work of the Shiite institution.

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The forum is literally a speaker for wrong information, taken for granted to be "authentic and real". Our OP here didn't display his opinion like everybody; he twisted and forged real text in front of everybody and advertised it to be authentic.

[Mystic]

I made a video as to why it should be translated as the family of the reminder. That's it's true translation, regardless of what the dark magic tries to hide.

[brewer]

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Why do you keep doing this, MK?

Because I cling to hope.

Hope of what? Isolation, alienation, rejection, ridicule, loneliness, despair, ................ There is no magic cure in the Koran. 

Those are some of the things you'll face if you continue indulging your delusions. If you're not careful, you'll need to add incarceration and institutionalization to the list.

[Mystic]

Hope someone will be guided. I clarified already.

[Minimalist]

[WinterHold]

I made a video as to why it should be translated as the family of the reminder. That's it's true translation, regardless of what the dark magic tries to hide.t

So all these scholars keen in Arabic are dark wizards?
Add to their voices me: a native Arab reading and speaking native Arabic, I'm also a dark magician who put a spell on the members here?

Look, there  are two possibilities:
1)You are sick
2)You lack morality to the degree of selling lies online, lying and abusing the limited knowledge of the crowd here to gain fame and to score points for the institution you serve.

I favor the latter option. Because I know that missionaries are full of shit. As full of shit as the Catholic church's missionaries who fool parents to sleep with their kids; raping the kids into "Jesus Christ".

But when did it happen? when did you agree to become a "cheap missionary internet warrior" for the Shiite institution?

You were caught forging translation, using the ignorance of your readers in the language..how many of yyour other posts contain forgery?
Oh I forgot..mental illness.

[Deesse23]

Nothing more funny than two gullible people arguing over the real meaning of a made up story, in front of a sceptical audience.

[Mystic]

I made a video as to why it should be translated as the family of the reminder. That's it's true translation, regardless of what the dark magic tries to hide.t

So all these scholars keen in Arabic are dark wizards?
Add to their voices me: a native Arab reading and speaking native Arabic, I'm also a dark magician who put a spell on the members here?

Look, there  are two possibilities:
1)You are sick
2)You lack morality to the degree of selling lies online, lying and abusing the limited knowledge of the crowd here to gain fame and to score points for the institution you serve.

I favor the latter option. Because I know that missionaries are full of shit. As full of shit as the Catholic church's missionaries who fool parents to sleep with their kids; raping the kids into "Jesus Christ".

But when did it happen? when did you agree to become a "cheap missionary internet warrior" for the Shiite institution?

You were caught forging translation, using the ignorance of your readers in the language..how many of yyour other posts contain forgery?
Oh I forgot..mental illness.

The context, as well, as whole Quran, and many themes, all show it ought to be translated as family of the reminder. These scholars are anything but true scholars.

[WinterHold]

Nothing more funny than two gullible people arguing over the real meaning of a made up story, in front of a sceptical audience.

No you must understand by now:
1)Muslims are not one. They are of so many different types
2)The internet (and the world; TBH) is full of missionaries who are not ashamed of lying.
3)If you didn't pay attention, you might be reading wrong information, and you are what you read.

So instead of eating popcorn; learn. It worth it