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Treasures from the Houshold of guidance.
#91
RE: Treasures from the Houshold of guidance.
1. Most translations of the word "ahl" is family through out Quran, with exception of "people of the book" and verses like that, where context proves it's not family.
2. As seen in verse 20:29, if the primary meaning was people, and Aaron is surely from the people of Moses, it would have been translated as such by majority of translators, but almost all translated it as family.
3. The reasons people don't translate "family of the reminder" for "Ahlul-Thikr" is due to dark sorcery, yes, and it's one reason I believe in Quran, because despite it's many themes that talk about chosen households, despite in Quran it's found that it says "there has been brought down to you a reminder.  A messenger who recites to you the signs of God...", despite all the warnings not to rely other then the rope and handhold of God, despite the emphasis of the chosen leaders of guidance, and that Prophets were not just revelation revealers, but took on positions of being clarifiers, leaders of guidance, and rulers of God and his Kings on earth, despite that, and despite the context of Ulil-Amr in 4:59 flowing so directly to 4:54, and despite how clear it is, people see it as obscure, and I am 100% convinced there is a dark sinister force that hates the family of the reminder, as the family of David/Aaron was opposed in the past.

The proof, just look all the translations of the word through out Quran, and ask why not a single translator remained consistent to translate it as family of the reminder, even Shiite translators.

And despite the many hadiths from Ahlulbayt (as) saying "the reminder is Mohammad and we are his family", the Shiites don't translate it as such.  I am the lone Shiite, that is doing this translation.

And despite the thaqalain speech of Prophet, "I am leaving you two weighty things, Quran and my family...the two will not separate even as they return to me at the pond".

Despite that, people can't even consider the possibility of the family of the reminder and you are all witnesses to the allergy of Atlas towards his guides and leaders per Quran, the true possessors of authority from the nation in 4:59, and his turning aside from the family of the reminder thereby betraying all family of the reminders of the past, per paradigm of the Quran.

You witness this, so observe,  it's not rational at all. You know it's not. Why oppose the 12 Captains who are supposed to sail the boat of salvation and pledge allegiance to a book although is a guidance, has not guided us till now.

The Book and the chosen leaders of guidance go together, and Suratal Anbiya emphasizes that with respect to the Ahlul-Thikr, and emphasizes on the chosen ones.

And Elyas was the guide of the family of the reminder before Mohammad and his family, and it's that family of the reminder that truly recited the book as it was and preserved it and were to be relied upon.

And it was Elyas who was the witness from the children of Israel that bore witness to Mohammad, and he was the Guide that transition guidance to Mohammad as did Khidr to Moses.

And the family of the reminder in the past, to the present, there has never been a time without them, be the guide hidden or not.

This aligns with the themes of Quran while telling us to ask people of the reminder whether reminder of the past or present contradicts all of Quran and reasoning, and people will never be guided relying on people representing the Quran without going to the family of the reminder.
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#92
RE: Treasures from the Houshold of guidance.
(October 29, 2018 at 8:39 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: 1. Most translations of the word "ahl" is family through out Quran, with exception of "people of the book" and verses like that, where context proves it's not family.
2. As seen in verse 20:29, if the primary meaning was people, and Aaron is surely from the people of Moses, it would have been translated as such by majority of translators, but almost all translated it as family.
3. The reasons people don't translate "family of the reminder" for "Ahlul-Thikr" is due to dark sorcery, yes, and it's one reason I believe in Quran, because despite it's many themes that talk about chosen households, despite in Quran it's found that it says "there has been brought down to you a reminder.  A messenger who recites to you the signs of God...", despite all the warnings not to rely other then the rope and handhold of God, despite the emphasis of the chosen leaders of guidance, and that Prophets were not just revelation revealers, but took on positions of being clarifiers, leaders of guidance, and rulers of God and his Kings on earth, despite that, and despite the context of Ulil-Amr in 4:59 flowing so directly to 4:54, and despite how clear it is, people see it as obscure, and I am 100% convinced there is a dark sinister force that hates the family of the reminder, as the family of David/Aaron was opposed in the past.

The proof, just look all the translations of the word through out Quran, and ask why not a single translator remained consistent to translate it as family of the reminder, even Shiite translators.

And despite the many hadiths from Ahlulbayt (as) saying "the reminder is Mohammad and we are his family", the Shiites don't translate it as such.  I am the lone Shiite, that is doing this translation.

And despite the thaqalain speech of Prophet, "I am leaving you two weighty things, Quran and my family...the two will not separate even as they return to me at the pond".

Despite that, people can't even consider the possibility of the family of the reminder and you are all witnesses to the allergy of Atlas towards his guides and leaders per Quran, the true possessors of authority from the nation in 4:59, and his turning aside from the family of the reminder thereby betraying all family of the reminders of the past, per paradigm of the Quran.

You witness this, so observe,  it's not rational at all. You know it's not. Why oppose the 12 Captains who are supposed to sail the boat of salvation and pledge allegiance to a book although is a guidance, has not guided us till now.

The Book and the chosen leaders of guidance go together, and Suratal Anbiya emphasizes that with respect to the Ahlul-Thikr, and emphasizes on the chosen ones.

And Elyas was the guide of the family of the reminder before Mohammad and his family, and it's that family of the reminder that truly recited the book as it was and preserved it and were to be relied upon.

And it was Elyas who was the witness from the children of Israel that bore witness to Mohammad, and he was the Guide that transition guidance to Mohammad as did Khidr to Moses.

And the family of the reminder in the past, to the present, there has never been a time without them, be the guide hidden or not.

This aligns with the themes of Quran while telling us to ask people of the reminder whether reminder of the past or present contradicts all of Quran and reasoning, and people will never be guided relying on people representing the Quran without going to the family of the reminder.

There is no gymnastics and emotional cards raised in front of language rules. Language rules are the reason me and you are talking via a computer now. Claiming that dark magic and sorcery have changed the Quran and caused the Shiite faith to be an unpopular version of Islam that got so hammered logically to the degree of it needing "liars" like you to forge translations officially to fool unaware readers and give it a meaning, is alone an evidence for the level of bad lying that is said to cover a worse act -i.e forging translations and invent verses in a famous, historical book-.

So what are you defending; exactly? you forged a verse and sold it here; but you were caught !
It's over; OP !
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#93
RE: Treasures from the Houshold of guidance.

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#94
RE: Treasures from the Houshold of guidance.
They are the light revealed, without Ahlulbayt, the Quran's central argument is non-existent.

Keeping try to put out God's light - I am going to use all the attempts to do so, to prove Quran and Ahlulbayt (as). I bear witness they are the family of the reminder and that is the proper translation of Ahlul-Thikr in Quran.

You are a proof of the dark magic Atlas. Here for everyone to witness.
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RE: Treasures from the Houshold of guidance.
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#96
RE: Treasures from the Houshold of guidance.
(October 29, 2018 at 8:19 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: I'm not throwing verses. I'm giving you my own personal faith about it; and giving you the reason I justify such a believe (which is a justification derived 100% from a book called "The Quran".

I'm dead sure about my opinion because it's of a linguistic base; the literal verse means the exact translation, I pasted it right, put the source, rechecked because I'm an Arab fluent in Arabic and read the Quran probably daily, read how so many scholars interpreted it, I can track it on a physical Arabic Quran -or E-Quran- then explain it word by word.
Bolding mine.
These two statements are mutually exclusive. The verse says what it says. There would be no need to interpret.
But lets say I take your word that the Quran should be taken literally: So a guy flew on a horse and the moon was split?


(October 29, 2018 at 8:19 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Exactly, experience in life is one of the big causes of belief. To learn about the design, you must experience it. And that experience is life itself.
...and this is very very very bad reasoning. There are so many things wrong within this short statement that its mindblowing:
#1 Belief in things is not warranted because "experience" but because of evidence you have, evidence you demonstrate to others
#2 presupposition: you dont state "there is design" and then follow up from this axiom.
#3 non-sequitur and word salad for combining your last two statements

With this kind of reasoning you will ultimately believe in many things not true....as evidenced by your belief in Quran and its literal meaning.



(October 29, 2018 at 8:19 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Energy, space and time. They are assumed to "be there" before the big bang, just like a Muslim claims that God is "there" before everything..
...and so do universe creating pink (not blue! thats what heretics like MK claim!) pixies
...so does the magic universe creatign cheese cracker
Pleae stop silly equivocations to connect/relate science you your fantasy.


(October 29, 2018 at 8:19 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: The big bang is speaking about a real, existing space, with real natural powers/dimensions, they didn't exist in another universe; they existed in this one and merged to blow -we are living the shock-wave of that explosion now. The three must be assumed for the theory to be right; and as they were assumed out of thin air; I can also assume God exists.
Nobody knows a thing about our cosmic origins. Everybody is guessing, and guessing is not the truth...
The difference between the theory of the big bang and your fantasy is, and i already have told you:
The BBT is based on evidence and already established and proven theories. Your fantasy is not. Its pulled out of someone ass. Thats the difference.

For the rest of your post.

Jesus.f.christ.
You deserve what you get. Just like all the others, you claim to be happy if everybody just would allow you to live the TRUE meaning of the Quran. By that you mean, like all the others do: to oppress and discriminate, to be violent and follow medieval practices and bad reasoning. Just a different laced version of it. Thats why you guys down there in the middle east will continue tho live in circumstances you currently live it. You will be stuck in this never ending cirlce of violence and poverty, blaming everything and everyone else but yourselves and your belief in hurtful, damaging and illusory bullshit.

Like i said: islam is not the solution to your problems, its (one of the) root cause.
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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