DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[T0 Th3 M4X]

*Sigh*

 So... if/when people post journals/studies opposing your current views/stance you'll be... confliceted?

What ever.

Cool, fine.

*Wavesi* All the best, ciao.

Not at work

Oh I do read journals and that happens.  It's called "learning."  We adjust to knowledge as it becomes available.  Nothing wrong with that in my book.

Anyway, thanks for the conversation. Ciao.

[Amarok]

Oh, back to the "National Geographic" magazine lied?  No, sorry. 

Lied maybe is wrong absolutely 

  Maybe ask someone from your church if you are unsure.

Too bad i don't have one because no such thing exists 

  If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it must be a...

Too bad it looks like none of they above

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It's not biased. I don't mind Christian, Muslims, atheists, or whatever.

You clearly are 

  We're just a bunch of people sharing a planet. 

Yup with some of the listed not being a religion 

 But no sense making things up.

Too bad we have not 

  We have multiple science magazines/journals with studies stating such a thing, and people saying they are wrong.

You have only shown one journal and i'm sorry it's wrong 

  Welp, reject science then.

Nope reject bad science 

  If you fit something by its definition, that's what you are. 

Too bad it doesn't 

  It doesn't make you evil, mean, a bad person or whatever. 

That doesn't matter it simply isn't the case 

 I'm a human.  If I go around telling everybody I'm a unicorn, then I would be full of something. 

Which as nothing to do with anything 

That's how I see it, and if people want to differ with their view, then that's their choice, but I'm sticking to what the scientific studies are indicating

Too bad atheism isn't a religion 

 Here's another one from The Atlantic.

Title: Atheists Are Sometimes More Religious Than Christians

Rubbish atheism isn't a religion sorry 

It also identifies atheists, agnostics, etc... and recognizes them as the "Nones" just like National Geographic.  But I suppose someone is going to suggest they are making things up too.  Waiting for it...

Yup it's wrong too ...Problem .

[CDF47]

It's not biased. I don't mind Christian, Muslims, atheists, or whatever.  We're just a bunch of people sharing a planet.  But no sense making things up.  We have multiple science magazines/journals with studies stating such a thing, and people saying they are wrong.  Welp, reject science then.  If you fit something by its definition, that's what you are.   It doesn't make you evil, mean, a bad person or whatever.  I'm a human.  If I go around telling everybody I'm a unicorn, then I would be full of something. That's how I see it, and if people want to differ with their view, then that's their choice, but I'm sticking to what the scientific studies are indicating.  Here's another one from The Atlantic.

Title: Atheists Are Sometimes More Religious Than Christians

It also identifies atheists, agnostics, etc... and recognizes them as the "Nones" just like National Geographic.  But I suppose someone is going to suggest they are making things up too.  Waiting for it...

 *Sigh*

  It's good/great that you don't mind all those things.
  You understand that... Just because something appears in a journal, doens't make it 'True', right?
  Something posted in a journal has;
(1) Been accepted as 'Fit to print' by said Journal.
(2) The pedigree of said Journal reflects the articles posted within.
(3) Any such publication is constantly subject to reveiw, revision, testing for rpeatabilty/consitency etc.
(4) Jounral don't determin 'Reality'. They simply post works/research that they find acceptible.

 Again, I'm finding your 'Anthropomorhic' veiw of the world coming to the fore.

Is it not interesting that you are having a conversation on a forum with many 'A'-theists and 'Non'-theists from across the world and, given such a large and eclectic sample size, you are not finding any such people who identify as such agreeing with your premises?

Me thinks your Journal referances do not well reflect reality.

Cheers.

Not at work.

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Dr. Meyer is brilliant.  Just listen to his videos and debates.  He crushes every debate he is in.  Hands down crushes them.  It's pretty cool to see.

Uhm... no?

I've seen quite a few Google-tube posts where Dr Meyer is shown to be rather... 'Simple' (?) in his views and such?

Perhaps there are a myriad amount of such things and you'be been lucky enough to veiw the positive ones?

 But.. really, we're not talking about the fellow's Youtube prescence, are we?

We're talking about how wll educated the fellow is in the topics about which he speaks.

To whit "Not, sweet fek all, seeming." I would posit in reply.

I mean, what i would love to see. Would positivly be enamoured with. Would be something demonstratable by I.D. propoents.

Some "Here's my process from 'Hypothesis' to testing to verification to acceptance amongst said peers which becomes accepted as a 'Theory'." kind of thing.

 So far, all I ever see (Time an time and time add nausem) again is 'Evolution is wrong because reasons."

That's... not how it works. Just saying thing 'X' is wrong... does not make thing 'Y' right.

You have to show (Demonstrate etc) the why 'Y' is right. Or at least a darn good working tool that can be overlaid upon reality such that verification developed.

Not at work.

Their next phase is testing and verification of projects based on ID hypotheses.

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Good video.  I didn't know they acted so much like a religion.  I knew they did but not to that extent.

 No, it's not a good video.

Others have already explained that said video is froma biased source and its depiction is biased.

That no one you are posting too is identifying with the images and pictures being presented shuld be telling.

What you think it was faked?  It is not the only source reporting this.

[Amarok]

There next phase is testing and verification of projects based on ID hypotheses.

Which will never happen

[Peebothuhlu]

There next phase is testing and verification of projects based on ID hypotheses.

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What you think it was faked?  It is not the only source reporting this.

 Huh? 'Next phase'? What? The hypothesis kind of hase to be falsifyable first as well.

How do you falsify a diety? Also... just positing a 'Designer'... doesn't actually do alot, other than kick the can a step further down the road.

I.E. If the (Hypothetical) Designer 'designed'... Uhm... Actually... At what level do you say your Designer is doing things? Just life? Just planetary systems? Just Universal systems? A combination of those? All of those? bits or none? Any-who, you're saying a Designer designed things so... how did your Designer come to be?

Never said 'Faked'. I posted 'Poor'' you can also use the word 'Biased'.

Not at work.

[Amarok]

What you think it was faked?  It is not the only source reporting this.

The video is real it's conclusion is bullshit 

Atheism is never was and never can be a religion in way shape or form . Cults can try and shove religious idea's onto atheism . But they will ALWAYS be separate from atheism. Atheism as a religion is rubbish .

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Believe what you like. 

It's not a belief it's a fact 

Unless you have some reason to discredit said journals/studies, then I'm sticking with my view.

Both are false as is your belief 

Also, you can consider this site a "sample" but it isn't a "study" and there are no controls in place so as to provide reliable information.  

Nor does their need to be to know your wrong 

Besides, the one in The Atlantic that discusses PRC's findings already addresses this, so I don't think a forum would be a more favorable sample.

No it really doesn't what you think is irrelevant

[T0 Th3 M4X]

Here is one of the atheist (secular) services.  It gets really "interesting" when they start to sing at about the 9 min mark.  Anyway, at least they're trying something.  Good that they're getting together and sharing what makes them who they are.  What I find odd about the atheist church is they're basically just copycatting the whole church experience, but a lot of it is trying to present a counter view to other belief systems.  Why not just do something unique?  If you don't believe in a God (or any gods) and don't adhere to Christianity, why make your whole service about trying to present a counter view?  Seems a bit fanatical.  Maybe that's part of why they're being seen as so religious.

[Amarok]

Here is one of the atheist (secular) services.

Here's the cult that has nothing to do with atheism 

  It gets really "interesting" when they start to sing at about the 9 min mark.

Nothing to do with atheism 

  Anyway, at least they're trying something. 

Yes trying to shove idea's that have nothing to do with atheism into atheism 

 Good that they're getting together and sharing what makes them who they are.  

Yes nutty cult trying to shove idea's that have nothing to do with atheism into atheism

What I find odd about the atheist church is they're basically just copycatting the whole church experience,

Which has nothing to do with atheism

 but a lot of it is trying to present a counter view to other belief systems.  

Which has nothing to do with atheism

Why not just do something unique?

I don't know nor do i care what the cult does for it loopy rituals 

  If you don't believe in a God (or any gods) and don't adhere to Christianity, why make your whole service about trying to present a counter view?

Maybe because loopy cult 

  Seems a bit fanatical.  

Too bad it has nothing to do with atheism 

Maybe that's part of why they're being seen as so religious.

A loopy cult yup again nothing to do with atheism

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Pointing to the loony cult trying to attach shit to atheism that isn't there does not prove atheism is a religion

[T0 Th3 M4X]

Here is one of the atheist (secular) services.

Here's the cult that has nothing to do with atheism 

  It gets really "interesting" when they start to sing at about the 9 min mark.

Nothing to do with atheism 

  Anyway, at least they're trying something. 

Yes trying to shove idea's that have nothing to do with atheism into atheism 

 Good that they're getting together and sharing what makes them who they are.  

Yes nutty cult trying to shove idea's that have nothing to do with atheism into atheism

What I find odd about the atheist church is they're basically just copycatting the whole church experience,

Which has nothing to do with atheism

 but a lot of it is trying to present a counter view to other belief systems.  

Which has nothing to do with atheism

Why not just do something unique?

I don't know nor do i care what the cult does for it loopy rituals 

  If you don't believe in a God (or any gods) and don't adhere to Christianity, why make your whole service about trying to present a counter view?

Maybe because loopy cult 

  Seems a bit fanatical.  

Too bad it has nothing to do with atheism 

Maybe that's part of why they're being seen as so religious.

A loopy cult yup again nothing to do with atheism

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Pointing to the loony cult trying to attach shit to atheism that isn't there does not prove atheism is a religion

Arizona State University is a cult?  Well that's interesting.  You're making it very hard to take anything you say seriously.


Specifically, it's a service by the Secular Freethought Society of Arizona State University.  You could've just went to the YT page and looked.

[Amarok]

Arizona State University is a cult?  Well that's interesting.  You're making it very hard to take anything you say seriously.

If the group in question are attempting to impose concept or activities onto atheism then yes they are acting no differently then the "atheist church " which is a cult.

Specifically, it's a service by the Secular Freethought Society of Arizona State University.

Yes i know what it is and as i explain above  

You could've just went to the YT page and looked.

I looked doesn't change my answer

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So again you have failed to demonstrate atheism is a religion 

Having some of the same rights as a religion does not make it a religion 

Pointing to some loons imposing values and rituals that have nothing to do with atheism  does not make it a religion 

Appealing to journals while not actually providing a real argument  does not make it a religion 

Pointing to some loons at a university doing the same loopy stuff as the for mentioned loons  does not make it a religion