Today in "Sell More And Do Nothing"

[Drich]

not babies 8 year old twins..

we had a foster child who was 6 and said if she did not get abc from us she would tell her teachers we beat her. we said no you will not get abc, then threw her self off the bed onto a tile floor then started to smash her head into the tile before we could stop her. she did have a shadow around her eyes like she had been hit. Thankfully this was all caught n a nanny cam, then another time got a snip of the dogs ear "because he (the dog) knows why.." put the cat in the drier, put a knife in the seat cushions facing up (thought it was funny to see someone st on a steak knife) then around a counselor was the she little abused girl.

Evil knows no age limit even if accountability does..

If this little girl knew how to work the case workers and the system to manipulate her fosters, then it is well with the grasp of a pair of like minded kids to learn how to push the buttons of a lady on the brink of suicide.

Most people think my kids would never therefore no kids could.. wrong on both accounts. There is this hidden camera show that put kids in situations and their reaction absolutely shocked their parents. meaning most kids live a double life. they are the little retards when mommy and daddy are around and Tony Soprano when left alone.

I can't be sure in this situation of course, but again the mom lived just fine (did not kill herself) up until 8 years after these two where born and not a year goes by another lady this one lives 60 or 70 years without causing harm to others or killing herself, get mixed in with these two boys and within a year tries to kill both of them and her self.

Again the only thing both murder and suicide people have in common where the twins. either the twins brought out evil or where the embodiment of it and G-ma was trying to save the world from it. Not to say she could have been crazy, but again it takes want and desire to push a crazy person that far.

My dad was that sort of crazy and I knew even at a young age how to make him go into a blind rage which would probably mean him killing allof us. We also knew how to defuse or avoid. Those kids stepped on the gas with G-ma rage whether they knew she would kill them or just her self is another matter. a kid who grows up crazy learns fast how to survive or become fuel for the crazy people. either way at 8 they where smart enough to not throw gas on the fire of crazy grandma.

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There is no blame here. I am simply accounting to contributing factors that build up and push people over the edge. as I posted to losty @8 years old these kids knew how to manipulate. you naive or just plain stupid if you think they where not smart enough of mature enough to understand how to make a crazy grandma even more crazy, maybe even push her over the edge like mom.

Again not blame as they are under the age of accountability so again not blaming them but realistically counting contributing factors that push people over the edge of sanity/rational thinking.

I didn’t see anything in the article that would give you any reason to believe that these were problem children. Even if they were, it wasn’t their fault. Children are completely blameless and innocent. I don’t believe in evil anyway, but there’s no such thing as a bad child. Only bad grown ups. That poor little baby you fostered needed help. I truly hope she found someone to love her and get her the help she needed after she left your home.

Just that you would even consider placing blame on a baby is so disgusting, Drich.

I didn't either do you know why? because people like you will not consider a child could ever push a mentally ill adult over the edge. otherwise you would demand that the state take control of every parent who does not think or react as you do. which is a can of worms no one wants opened.

but again I am not blaming the children as they are under the age of accountablity. can you trun you emotion off long enought to understand what that means? to not be accountable means there is no blame. however it does not mean those kids where not the primary source or even just the straw that broke the camels back.

[Silver]

I didn't either do you know why? because people like you will not consider a child could ever push a mentally ill adult over the edge. otherwise you would demand that the state take control of every parent who does not think or react as you do. which is a can of worms no one wants opened.

but again I am not blaming the children as they are under the age of accountablity. can you trun you emotion off long enought to understand what that means? to not be accountable means there is no blame. however it does not mean those kids where not the primary source or even just the straw that broke the camels back.

Bible: kids can't be accountable.

Real world: yes they can, as judges sometimes sentence minors as adults.

[Brian37]

So it is ok for a mentally ill adult to have access to a firearm? That makes no fucking sense.

If one is not stable enough to take care of a child without physically harming them, what the fuck makes anyone think it is wise to add a firearm to that? If the person was willing to shoot and kill  a kid, odds are they were abusive prior to taking that last step. It is ALWAYS the adults fault. If that adult was mentally ill, where were the other adults around them preventing them from getting access to that firearm?

I really could give a shit less if you claim you are not blaming the child. NO SHIT! But once gain, you cannot say, "Just keep them out of the wrong hands" and bitch when the sane agree. It is obvious by virtue of a dead kid, the wrong person had access to that firearm.

[Drich]

I didn't either do you know why? because people like you will not consider a child could ever push a mentally ill adult over the edge. otherwise you would demand that the state take control of every parent who does not think or react as you do. which is a can of worms no one wants opened.

but again I am not blaming the children as they are under the age of accountablity. can you trun you emotion off long enought to understand what that means? to not be accountable means there is no blame. however it does not mean those kids where not the primary source or even just the straw that broke the camels back.

Bible: kids can't be accountable.

Real world: yes they can, as judges sometimes sentence minors as adults.

Again I am not blaming the children... not the bible not the courts.. I do not hold them responsible for anything because they are under the age of accountablity. again that said I am also saying @ 8 years old they cold very well be cognisant enough to push a mentally ill mother to suicide, and again if the mother was ill it could very well be her mother also genetically shared the same illness. which again a set of twins could be smart enough to trigger.

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So it is ok for a mentally ill adult to have access to a firearm? That makes no fucking sense.

If one is not stable enough to take care of a child without physically harming them, what the fuck makes anyone think it is wise to add a firearm to that? If the person was willing to shoot and kill  a kid, odds are they were abusive prior to taking that last step. It is ALWAYS the adults fault. If that adult was mentally ill, where were the other adults around them preventing them from getting access to that firearm?

I really could give a shit less if you claim you are not blaming the child. NO SHIT! But once gain, you cannot say, "Just keep them out of the wrong hands" and bitch when the sane agree. It is obvious by virtue of a dead kid, the wrong person had access to that firearm.

not according to the law. but how would the government know if one was mentally ill or recently was pushed to the point of the mental illness taking control? are you suggesting that we develop a thought police? Because as the law reads is the g-ma was ever ajudicated mentally ill or defective or has spent time in a facility ellected or otherwise they are not qualified for a firearm. however if the mental illness never manifests itself so the person is not a danger to others or themselves then no record will show one's true state. which again brings us back to the 'thought police.'is that what you want? the government to monitor all thoughts and punish those who do no think like everyone eses?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Again I am not blaming the children... not the bible not the courts.. I do not hold them responsible for anything because they are under the age of accountablity. again that said I am also saying @ 8 years old they cold very well be cognisant enough to push a mentally ill mother to suicide, and again if the mother was ill it could very well be her mother also genetically shared the same illness. which again a set of twins could be smart enough to trigger.

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If the subject weren't so serious, it'd be almost amusing how you repeatedly say you're not blaming the kids, then you go right ahead and blame them.

I'm no specialist, but you might be clinically insane.

Boru

[Brian37]

Sorry, this is simply you being selfish and protecting an object instead of considering what is needed pragmatically for public safety.

Children died as a result of an ADULT using a firearm. You cannot have it both ways. You cannot say "keep them out of the wrong hands" and bitch when we agree. Obviously this person was the wrong hands, otherwise those children would not be dead.

You cannot pawn this off on kids being kids. It does not matter what those kids did. PERIOD!

You, "the kids pushed their button".

Me, "So the fuck what." How does that change the access to a firearm? I don't give a shit. That person should not have been allowed to access a firearm.

You are creating a dodge to justify protecting the object, when the right thing for society to do is prevent someone that disturbed from getting their hands on a firearm. I could give a shit less if you claim you are not blaming the kids.

This is the same bullshit dodge used with rape victims. "Well, they didn't deserve to get raped. but they shouldn't have worn a short skirt."

The kids have no say in our laws, only adults make our laws, and if you think our laws currently reduce events like this to an effective degree, you are delusional. In the next 24 hours, more of our fellow citizens will commit suicide, get murdered by an abusive partner, accidentally shoot themselves, or someone else, and or do shit like the story in this OP. To the tune of an average of 100 per day every day on average.

If you find that acceptable, you need help.

[Drich]

Again I am not blaming the children... not the bible not the courts.. I do not hold them responsible for anything because they are under the age of accountablity. again that said I am also saying @ 8 years old they cold very well be cognisant enough to push a mentally ill mother to suicide, and again if the mother was ill it could very well be her mother also genetically shared the same illness. which again a set of twins could be smart enough to trigger.

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If the subject weren't so serious, it'd be almost amusing how you repeatedly say you're not blaming the kids, then you go right ahead and blame them.

I'm no specialist, but you might be clinically insane.

Boru

your post is the reason I tried to show you monkey uncles the difference between blame and identifying source.

Blame indicates there is a consequence or to be held accountable for a action.

Again I am not calling for the kids to be held accountable for anything.

However I am pointing out that the kids where two strong common variables known to be present in both murder suicide attempt and the successful suicide.

Blames says let find out who did this and hold them accountable, identify the kids as a possible reason is no different than finding out why a wing broke off a plane with no one at fault.

Maybe is people such as yourself where no so closed minded things like this would be less apt to happen. you are so worried about how you look coming off identifying the kids as two common variables in both deaths, that you would be more apt letting a similar scenario happen again. rather than saying these two were apart of the mother suicide maybe we should put them through a screening process to make sure they themselves are not mentally ill or defective in someway.

[Brian37]

If the subject weren't so serious, it'd be almost amusing how you repeatedly say you're not blaming the kids, then you go right ahead and blame them.

I'm no specialist, but you might be clinically insane.

Boru

your post is the reason I tried to show you monkey uncles the difference between blame and identifying source.

Blame indicates there is a consequence or to be held accountable for a action.

Again I am not calling for the kids to be held accountable for anything.

However I am pointing out that the kids where two strong common variables known to be present in both murder suicide attempt and the successful suicide.

Blames says let find out who did this and hold them accountable, identify the kids as a possible reason is no different than finding out why a wing broke off a plane with no one at fault.

Maybe is people such as yourself where no so closed minded things like this would be less apt to happen. you are so worried about how you look coming off identifying the kids as two common variables in both deaths, that you would be more apt letting a similar scenario happen again. rather than saying these two were apart of the mother suicide maybe we should put them through a screening process to make sure they themselves are not mentally ill or defective in someway.

This is bullshit.

Law enforcement have interviewed all sorts of Serial Killers like Ted Bundy, saying, "This is what triggered Ted Bundy" does NOT excuse his actions and his victims were NOT responsible. 

Again, I could give a shit less what those kids did to "trigger" the adult, THEY ARE KIDS.

What did happen is that ADULT got their hands on a firearm and murdered the kids with that firearm. 

They are mentally ill, yea and?  The kids triggered them, and? Where were the other adults preventing that disturbed person from getting access to that firearm? And do not dare claim our laws as they are are effective enough, because they are NOT.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

If the subject weren't so serious, it'd be almost amusing how you repeatedly say you're not blaming the kids, then you go right ahead and blame them.

I'm no specialist, but you might be clinically insane.

Boru

your post is the reason I tried to show you monkey uncles the difference between blame and identifying source.

Blame indicates there is a consequence or to be held accountable for a action.

Again I am not calling for the kids to be held accountable for anything.

However I am pointing out that the kids where two strong common variables known to be present in both murder suicide attempt and the successful suicide.

Blames says let find out who did this and hold them accountable, identify the kids as a possible reason is no different than finding out why a wing broke off a plane with no one at fault.

Maybe is people such as yourself where no so closed minded things like this would be less apt to happen. you are so worried about how you look coming off identifying the kids as two common variables in both deaths, that you would be more apt letting a similar scenario happen again. rather than saying these two were apart of the mother suicide maybe we should put them through a screening process to make sure they themselves are not mentally ill or defective in someway.

Yeah, keep trying.  You're so cute when you do that.

 I am also saying @ 8 years old they cold very well be cognisant enough to push a mentally ill mother to suicide

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a set of twins could be smart enough to trigger

both clearly indicate that you DO blame the kids.  'Not wanting them held accountable' means fuck all.  Simply because you claim that you don't want them punished doesn't mean that you don't think they're responsible, you conscienceless twat.

Boru

[Brian37]

A few years ago a toddler fell into the enclosure after scaling a very badly designed barrier and ended up dropping into the habitat of a gorilla. Lots of animal rights activists argued "Why didn't you just tranquilize it instead of shooting it?" Because they had no time. If they cause pain to the gorilla, it is going to take it out on the kid. They had no choice but to kill the gorilla. The real issue started long ago before that gorilla or kid encountered each other. Humans simply made sloppy designs and both the gorilla and kid suffered from human laziness and bad design.

If one wants to claim that the adult was not in their right mind, and could not know what they, the kids did, I get that. But that gorilla also could not have any advance knowledge of what prior adults did in their bad design that allowed that kid to crawl over the barriers and end up falling into the enclosure.

It still remains in this case, that the failure was at the top.