DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[Gwaithmir]

"The advantage of faith over reason, is that reason requires understanding, which usually requires education; resources of time and money. Religion needs none of that. It empowers the lowliest idiot to pretend that he is wiser than the wise, ignoring all the indications otherwise." (Aaron Ra) 

A perfect behavioral description of the troll CDF47.

[possibletarian]

It is not about ID.  It is about the extremely complex and functional code inside of DNA.  That's what the thread is about.  It is also about the fine-tuning of the universe.

Nobody is arguing about the complexity of anything, we just need proof it was intelligently designed, aside from assertion and your beliefs you have yet to provide a single shred of evidence it is so.

No one arguing that the earth isn't suitable for the life we see, and that earth is in a universe which gave rise to the conditions we see so that life could form, the problem being this is only for a fraction of it's existence, both of the earth and the universe, one day this so called  finely tuned solar system will wipe out all life on earth and continue for billions of years without it.

But to say a universe that is 99.9% hostile to life as we know it is fine tuned is beyond comprehension,  we are challenging the 'fine tuned' aspect of it.

Especially so when no one (including you) tell us what an altered universe would look like or even if it could have life or not.

The Lord died for our sins.

So was there a few days the universe was without god ?  if not then he didn't die in any meaningful way, and certainly didn't give his life.  And if he just sacrifice a shell of flesh at no danger or cost to himself then so fucking what, he's been wiping out flesh at a whim from day one.

[LastPoet]

The guy is absurdly dumb or just mocking. I mean, fine tuning and complexity are arguments used in ID.

[Gwaithmir]

The guy is absurdly dumb or just mocking. I mean, fine tuning and complexity are arguments used in ID.

He's not here for a meaningful discussion. He spouts random bullshit off the top of his head because he likes the sound of his own voice and enjoys messing with people. That's what trolls do.

[Succubus]

The guy is absurdly dumb or just mocking. I mean, fine tuning and complexity are arguments used in ID.

He's not here for a meaningful discussion. He spouts random bullshit off the top of his head because he likes the sound of his own voice and enjoys messing with people. That's what trolls do.

I'm pretty sure he has some sort of sidebar open where he can select from a list of stock answers. Just drag & drop into the reply box.
I'm also pretty sure he's enjoying this immensely. Poor thing, he's finally getting some attention in his miserable uneventful life.

[Anomalocaris]

A poor thing is a thing that doesn’t deserve its ill fortunate. No fortune can be so ill that it is not too good for this one.

[Bucky Ball]

I disagree.  He is a just God and needs justice for evil committed.  He hates evil and is at war with it.  He will destroy it one day.  It is just serving its purpose for now.
It is not a straw man.  It is an accurate statement.

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Too bad for CDF00, but that just won't cut it. Any deity that has to "be at war" with ANYTHING, or cannot just wipe out ANYTHING, is no master of Reality.
Why would an almighty deity "be at war" with something, and not just finish off the job ? How utterly stupid and un-thought-out.
A god that *needs* anything, is, by definition, not in possession of perfection.
If your god "comes into" the need for restoring a state of justice, (due to the actions of another being ... whether they are it's creatures or not),
then he (it) is always, not only changing, and not perfect, but also not the creator and master of Reality, to which YOU JUST SAID he was subject to, at the whims of his creatures.  
A deity which is subject to any norms and laws of Reality cannot be the creator of that Reality.
Thanks for debunking your god for us.
Always great to have the theists do the deity-debunking for us.

[CDF47]

I keep explaining to you that I don't have any issue with interpretation...the issue is your own.  I also have to keep telling you that I don't care about what you believe, either.  Why do I have to keep reminding you of these things?  Shouldn't an evangelist be more attentive to their marks..if for no other reason than to competently respond?

You have a problem with the world as it exists, as god must have created it, if god created it.  That's a you problem.

You have a problem with the words attributed to your godman.  That's a you problem.

You have a problem with sticking to the truth.  That's a you problem.

You have a problem with your evangelism strategy.  That's a you problem.

You have a problem with biology, that;s a you problem.

You aren't in a position to help anyone else with any problem they may have.  Physician, heal thyself.

That's your opinion.  I don't think I have as big of a problem as you are making them out to be.

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Thanks for hanging in there.  I enjoy this thread actually.  I know some on here hate the thread and want it gone and me banned but I guess it continues on.  I just enjoy discussing what I feel is the most important topic to discuss.  It is what we should be discussing on this forum in my opinion; alternative views.

No, you're a parasite.
I've e-mailed the Ecuadorian ambassador to London with a request that your protected status here be revoked. 1300 pages and you have not once expressed an original thought or argument. Just like Assange, you're a fucking liability.

Sure I have expressed original thought.  That's BS.

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I don't know.  Maybe I did over do it.  Just trying to discuss my favorite topic to discuss with non-believers.  I discuss these things with believers as well.  I did come to discuss DNA but there are religious implications to this thread.  It is difficult not to talk about the Creator.  There is also a sense of evangelizing I agree.  Since I strongly believe in my faith I may push to hard on the evangelizing to atheists.

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I think the main problem you have is that DNA is explainable without a designer and in fact adding a designer to the idea just means that you have to explain the designer. So lets start with that.

Tell me HOW the designer did the designing and implemented its design in your view. This would go in some way to letting us know what the actual fuck it is. So what was its process in your view?
Where did it get the stuff do you think?

I not science has all the answers for all that yet.

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It is not about ID.  It is about the extremely complex and functional code inside of DNA.  That's what the thread is about.  It is also about the fine-tuning of the universe.

Nobody is arguing about the complexity of anything, we just need proof it was intelligently designed, aside from assertion and your beliefs you have yet to provide a single shred of evidence it is so.

No one arguing that the earth isn't suitable for the life we see, and that earth is in a universe which gave rise to the conditions we see so that life could form, the problem being this is only for a fraction of it's existence, both of the earth and the universe, one day this so called  finely tuned solar system will wipe out all life on earth and continue for billions of years without it.

But to say a universe that is 99.9% hostile to life as we know it is fine tuned is beyond comprehension,  we are challenging the 'fine tuned' aspect of it.

Especially so when no one (including you) tell us what an altered universe would look like or even if it could have life or not.

The Lord died for our sins.

So was there a few days the universe was without god ?  if not then he didn't die in any meaningful way, and certainly didn't give his life.  And if he just sacrifice a shell of flesh at no danger or cost to himself then so fucking what, he's been wiping out flesh at a whim from day one.

The Lord did not have to die a terrible death for the sins of His people but He did.  You cannot down play that.

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The guy is absurdly dumb or just mocking. I mean, fine tuning and complexity are arguments used in ID.

He's not here for a meaningful discussion. He spouts random bullshit off the top of his head because he likes the sound of his own voice and enjoys messing with people. That's what trolls do.

I am not doing that at all.

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I disagree.  He is a just God and needs justice for evil committed.  He hates evil and is at war with it.  He will destroy it one day.  It is just serving its purpose for now.
It is not a straw man.  It is an accurate statement.

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Too bad for CDF00, but that just won't cut it. Any deity that has to "be at war" with ANYTHING, or cannot just wipe out ANYTHING, is no master of Reality.
Why would an almighty deity "be at war" with something, and not just finish off the job ? How utterly stupid and un-thought-out.
A god that *needs* anything, is, by definition, not in possession of perfection.
If your god "comes into" the need for restoring a state of justice, (due to the actions of another being ... whether they are it's creatures or not),
then he (it) is always, not only changing, and not perfect, but also not the creator and master of Reality, to which YOU JUST SAID he was subject to, at the whims of his creatures.  
A deity which is subject to any norms and laws of Reality cannot be the creator of that Reality.
Thanks for debunking your god for us.
Always great to have the theists do the deity-debunking for us.

You didn't debunk anything.

[possibletarian]

The Lord did not have to die a terrible death for the sins of His people but He did.  You cannot down play that.

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In what meaningful way way did the 'Lord' die ?
If he didn't have to die, then why all the stupid sacrifices ?
In what way is the universe fine tuned (as you claim) yet will only hold life (as we know it) for a fraction of it's existence. The universe has spent the vast majority of it's existence without life, and the same 'fine tuned' universe will kill us one day.. and go on to exist for a great deal longer.  life will simply be a tiny blip.

[Bucky Ball]

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Too bad for CDF00, but that just won't cut it. Any deity that has to "be at war" with ANYTHING, or cannot just wipe out ANYTHING, is no master of Reality.
Why would an almighty deity "be at war" with something, and not just finish off the job ? How utterly stupid and un-thought-out.
A god that *needs* anything, is, by definition, not in possession of perfection.
If your god "comes into" the need for restoring a state of justice, (due to the actions of another being ... whether they are it's creatures or not),
then he (it) is always, not only changing, and not perfect, but also not the creator and master of Reality, to which YOU JUST SAID he was subject to, at the whims of his creatures.  
A deity which is subject to any norms and laws of Reality cannot be the creator of that Reality.
Thanks for debunking your god for us.
Always great to have the theists do the deity-debunking for us.

You didn't debunk anything.

Exactly, ... as I said, YOU YOURSELF did it for us, 
AND you are too inept and too unprepared to even begin to answer the points made.

The Lord died for our sins.

Dying for sins was NEVER the role of the Jewish messiah.
IF he really was a god,
a. he didn't actually die,
b. being omniscient, he already knew he wouldn't "stay dead"....
so your pile of incomprehensible rubbish makes no sense to anyone.

Find a new hobby ... you're no good at this one.