Choosing who you are

[LadyForCamus]

IF something as quantifiable as genitalia isn't an indication of the identification of sex - how can something as ambiguous as skin coloration be an identifier of race?

Biological sex does not equal gender. It does not quantify gender. It does not indicate gender. It does not determine gender. This is in evidence. Therefore, your analogy is false. Care to admit you’re wrong yet?

[onlinebiker]

IF something as quantifiable as genitalia isn't an indication of the identification of sex - how can something as ambiguous as skin coloration be an identifier of race?

Biological sex does not equal gender. It does not quantify gender. This is in evidence. Therefore, your analogy is false. Care to admit you’re wrong yet?

Nope.

It'  not the point of this thread..

But feel free to pat yourself on the back whilst chanting " I won! I won!".

[LadyForCamus]

Biological sex does not equal gender. It does not quantify gender. This is in evidence. Therefore, your analogy is false. Care to admit you’re wrong yet?

Nope.

It'  not the point of this thread..

It’s not the point of the thread? I just quoted your OP. 😂

Wow, this is embarrassing for you.

[Mister Agenda]

sex
noun
2. either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions.

gen·der
noun
1. either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female.

[Shell B]

He isn't responding to actual arguments with an argument of his own. I also don't think he's a troll. I think he's mildly flaming. You don't have to be part of a tight little group to know that he has a habit of starting threads he knows are controversial and only responding with overly pithy answers. If he responded with any kind of sincerity to the number of posts here that are legitimately debating his point, I would agree with you to some extent. However, he hasn't, and he has a history of that. That's all well and good, but it's not defensible. It's just getting bored and stirring the pot.

Well that helps open the door for the stalker that follows OLB around to start crap no matter what he posts.  I guess that's acceptable.

It's allowable, if that's what you mean. I mean, we can hardly be surprised that carrots come to the top when he stirs the pot. Moreover, I think "stalker" hardly qualifies here, just as I think calling him a troll doesn't qualify, either. We're all using really loaded words for pretty innocuous little arguments about genitals. Well, innocuous if you're not one of the transgender folk who have to read this and wonder why the fuck anyone feels like they should have to be able to understand transgenderism for it to be valid.

[Athene]

Why would anyone choose to be identified as someone whom they aren’t? That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Are you going to choose to be identified as a gay man starting tomorrow? Just for fun? Even if your straight? 

You lost. Your argument is dead in the water. It was a non-starter. Take your ball and go home.

Who said anything about choosing to be identified as something you aren't?

If I say I am gay - who are you to say otherwise?

I gotta bring PROOF?

Since when?


Nope. When someone claims to be something - gay, straight, white, black - or Native America-- you don't get to question that- right?

But this is what you clearly don't understand; Trangendered individuals' claims are questioned.

Trans folks can't just up and change their sex LEGALLY without providing PROOF that they are transitioned or transitioning. Which includes, but is not limited to, verification of hormonal therapy and extensive psychological evaluation. Many states also require reassignment surgery to be fully completed before trans people can actually change their birth certificates and be legally recognized as the appropriate gender.

I'm sorry, but your analogy is a wash.
On multiple levels.

All of your key/basic facts are just plain wrong.

[onlinebiker]

You gone and missed the point.


Yes - a trans person DOES " choose".

They, and they alone get to say who they are.

What you, I and society think - apparently means nothing.

Only the individual decides what the rest of society identifies them as.


If this is true - my ascertation that I am Native American should be equally valid.


Unless you have a logical reason otherwise.

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Think so?


Bwahahaha....

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Michigan DOES allow for someone to change their gender - legally.

However - no so for changing one's race.



Where is the outrage?

If it is illegal for your family to own a casino in Michigan, how to you explain the fact that the MGM Grand Casino is in Detroit?  It is your contention that MGM are owned by Native American tribes?

I'm starting to agree with LFC - I don't think you're serious.  You're trolling.

Boru

You're not from Michigan, are you?

There are 3 corporate owned casinos in Michigan. There are 23 Indian owned casinos.

While gambling is regulated by the state - the counties have the reserved right to allow or disallow casinos --- EXCEPT on "Reservations". 

They had a vote in Allegan County to NOT grant a casino license to be issued in the county. The vote wasn't even close. A resounding no.

But out of the blue - the " Gun Lake Tribe" appeared - and put up a casino.

How?

They're " special" - the are born with the right to declare " tribal land". They have special rights. They are not bound to the same hunting and fishing rules that commoners are bound by.

They have their own little group that decides who is and who isn' t a legitimate native. Convenient, huh?


I know some of these people. I went to school with a couple. Blond haired, blue eyed " natives". Slavic and Germanic names back then.


Sure..

Ok..

Where's my tribe's gimme?


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[Shell B]

Any of fake claims to native heritage aside, the fact that you mock their claim to tribal land and laws is a bit gross, man. Care to clarify?

[Aegon]

There are 3 corporate owned casinos in Michigan. There are 23 Indian owned casinos.

While gambling is regulated by the state - the counties have the reserved right to allow or disallow casinos --- EXCEPT on "Reservations". 

They had a vote in Allegan County to NOT grant a casino license to be issued in the county. The vote wasn't even close. A resounding no.

But out of the blue - the " Gun Lake Tribe" appeared - and put up a casino.

How?

They're " special" - the are born with the right to declare " tribal land". They have special rights. They are not bound to the same hunting and fishing rules that commoners are bound by.

They have their own little group that decides who is and who isn' t a legitimate native. Convenient, huh?


I know some of these people. I went to school with a couple. Blond haired, blue eyed " natives". Slavic and Germanic names back then.


Sure..

Ok..

Where's my tribe's gimme?


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Lmao they can FISH WHEREVER THEY WANT? Give me some of that great Native American privilege! Wew lad.

[downbeatplumb]

I am confused by this issue.

I go by the if a naked body washed up on a beach how would the Dr identify it approach. Cock and balls man, vagina, not a man.

I know people seem to think it is more complex than that and I freely admit that I am totally unqualified to put forward a definitive stance on this so I stick with what is probably outdated and wrong way of looking at things. On the whole it does not alter how I treat people, my Dr became a woman after a few years and after the initial surprise that Peter is now Sharon you just get on with it.