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RE: The code that is DNA
December 26, 2019 at 6:42 am
(December 25, 2019 at 6:21 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: (December 24, 2019 at 4:26 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Ah. That is a question that the god-botherers avoid.
Exactly how many "micro-evolutionary" changes add up to a "macro-evolutionary" change? What Richard Lenski proved was that macro evolution is impossible. False.
(December 25, 2019 at 6:21 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: After how many thousands of fruit fly generations, those flies are ???
Guess what....wait for it........
Still fruit flies. A different species of fruit fly, sexually incompatible with it's fellows. IOW a different species. Do you fail to understand that evolution only proceeds forwards, never backwards, building upon what already exists? Of course not.
(December 25, 2019 at 6:21 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: Sorry but you probably should not have mentioned them, (the other poster above) Nothing wrong with mentioning them. Your lack of comprehension is YOUR problem not anyone else's.
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RE: The code that is DNA
December 26, 2019 at 7:27 am
Such lovely quibbles.
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RE: The code that is DNA
December 26, 2019 at 8:07 am
(December 26, 2019 at 7:27 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Such lovely quibbles.
Aren't those ancestors of tribbles? I hear there is trouble with tribbles.
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RE: The code that is DNA
December 26, 2019 at 8:08 am
Take thousands of generations of wolves and what do you get ?
German Shepherd
Great Danes
Terriers
Poodles
Chihuahuas
Still wolves ?
You also get many different species of modern day wolves.
They are all genetic cousins.
Visit your local library or geez I don't know research biology websites and learn something.
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RE: The code that is DNA
December 26, 2019 at 9:56 am
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(December 26, 2019 at 4:27 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Do you wish to contend that green beans and tomatoes get their genetic material in some other manner than you got yours, or can we proceed? Are you unaware, perhaps, of where green beans and tomatoes get their genetic material?
If you want you to use tomatoes and green beans then use them. You specifically asked me to work with genetic material that is unknown. If you're going to use the unknown genetic material, we can't conclude where it comes from.
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RE: The code that is DNA
December 26, 2019 at 10:02 am
Do you wish to contend that tomatoes and green beans get their genetic material in some other manner than you got yours, or not?
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RE: The code that is DNA
December 26, 2019 at 10:14 am
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(December 26, 2019 at 10:02 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Do you wish to contend that tomatoes and green beans get their genetic material in some other manner than you got yours, or not?
If we're going to use tomatoes instead of the unknown samples, yes, plants often get their genetic material differently than humans. I don't know enough about tomatoes to specifically say whether it is sexual or asexual. I don't think such information can be extracted from the genetic material, but perhaps I'm wrong.
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RE: The code that is DNA
December 26, 2019 at 10:15 am
Do you think that it's impossible to devise a test in order to determine whether that assertion is true or false?
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RE: The code that is DNA
December 26, 2019 at 10:18 am
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(December 26, 2019 at 10:15 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Do you think that it's impossible to devise a test in order to determine whether that assertion is true or false?
I don't know if there are tests that can look at genetic material and deduce that it was produced sexually, asexually, via mutation, manipulation, etc.
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RE: The code that is DNA
December 26, 2019 at 10:31 am
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All kinds of them. An assay can determine whether a given plant was produced through apomixis, or gamete fusion. Tomatoes and green beans are both angiosperms, flowering plants. This is a portion of their shared genetic material, but it can also be observed without the need of any complex equipment. Mendel used angiosperms to determine the laws of heredity, for example.
We have three different sets of organisms, and each one of them gets their genetic material in the same manner, through sexual reproduction. From their parents, as you so succinctly acknowledge earlier.
Is there anything else that might be relevant to our discussion about the relationship between heredity and genetic composition? Anything else that we might be able to devise a test for? Mendels laws of heredity?
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