That Gay Thread

[Huggy Bear]

Intersectionality doesn't work if you include everyone but they don't include you.

You haven't answered the question

[The Architect Of Fate]

"Patrisse Cullors, one of three founders of the hashtag #BlackLivesMatter, explains how queer and trans people of color are core to the movement."

Yup via intersectionality. That doesn't make them an LGBT movement. They have focused on black issues primarily and not LGBT ones.

I don't know ANY organization that's NOT LBGT that states LBGT is their core.

That's an opinion, not a fact. The group focuses on black issues. Denying that is just silly. Huggy's desperation to try and deny a black group backed Smollett and therefore he has no legs to condemn the LGBT community has reached critical 

Name another ethnic group that also advocates for every other ethnic group.

Do Hispanic groups advocate for black people? Do Asian groups? LBGT certainly isn't their core.

How about we keep that same energy and have black groups advocate specifically for black people.

How about no and we have groups that don't gatekeep and instead encourage greater unity among groups instead?

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Intersectionality doesn't work if you include everyone but they don't include you.

Intersectionality works period

You haven't answered the question

Rye answered the question

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Do Asian and Hispanic groups gatekeep gay people from positions of power in their organizations?

How about we keep that same energy and have black groups advocate specifically for black people? Because marginalised groups are stronger and more likely to get power when fighting together? And the funny thing is, if BLM is any indication, black groups do advocate specifically for black people. They just recognize that there are other marginalised groups whose issues intersect with that (like women or LGBT).

Truth

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From Encyclopedia Britannica 

Black Lives Matter (BLM), international social movement, formed in the United States in 2013, dedicated to fighting racism and anti-Black violence, especially in the form of police brutality. The name Black Lives Matter

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Black-L...nna-Taylor

The Black Lives Matter movement has many goals. BLM activists seek to draw attention to the many ways in which Black people are treated unfairly in society and the ways in which institutions, laws, and policies help to perpetuate that unfairness. The movement has fought racism through such means as political action, letter-writing campaigns, and nonviolent protests. BLM seeks to combat police brutality, the over-policing of minority neighbourhoods, and the abuses committed by for-profit jails. Its efforts have included calls for better training for police and greater accountability for police misconduct. BLM activists have also called for “defunding” the police—that is, reducing police department budgets and investing the freed-up funds in community social services, such as mental health and conflict-resolution programs. BLM activists have worked on voter registration and get-out-the-vote campaigns in Black . In addition, BLM programs have celebrated Black artists and writers.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Black-L...nna-Taylor



From Dictionry.com 

a political and social movement originating among , emphasizing basic human rights and racial equality for Black people and campaigning against various forms of racism. Abbreviations: BLM, B.L.M.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/black-lives-matter



From Merriam and Websters Dictionary 

: a movement founded in 2013 to end white supremacy and support Black communities

NOTE: Black Lives Matter was founded by Black community organizers Patrisse Khan-Cullors, Alicia Garza, and Opal Tometi after George Zimmerman was acquitted of charges relating to his fatal shooting of Black teenager Trayvon Martin in 2012; the movement expanded as people reacted to police killings of unarmed Black people in years following. The name Black Lives Matter functions as a declaration that Black people's lives have as much value as white people's lives, and as a call to end systems and practices that challenge this fact.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictiona...s%20Matter



From Collins Dictionary 

1. 
 Black Lives Matter: a movement that campaigns against racially motivated violence and oppression

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictio...nglish/blm



From Macmillan Dictionary 

Black Lives Matter: an international movement that campaigns against violence and systemic racism towards black people

BLM organisers said they had decided to call off a planned protest at Hyde Park at 1pm on Saturday.

The Black Lives Matter protests following the horrific killing of George Floyd by a police officer have been overwhelmingly peaceful.

https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dict...ritish/blm



From The Library Of Congress 

"Black Lives Matter (BLM) is an international activist movement, originating in the African-American community, that campaigns against violence and systemic racism toward black people. BLM regularly protests police killings of black people and broader issues of racial profiling, police brutality, and racial inequality in the United States criminal justice system. In 2013, the movement began with the use of the hashtag #BlackLivesMatter on social media, after the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the shooting death of African-American teen Trayvon Martin. Black Lives Matter became nationally recognized for its street demonstrations following the 2014 deaths of two African Americans: Michael Brown, resulting in protests and unrest in Ferguson, and Eric Garner in New York City. The originators of the hashtag and call to action, Alicia Garza, Patrisse Cullors, and Opal Tometi, expanded their project into a national network of over 30 local chapters between 2014 and 2016. The overall Black Lives Matter movement, however, is a decentralized network and has no formal hierarchy. Since the Ferguson protests, participants in the movement have demonstrated against the deaths of numerous other African Americans by police actions or while in police custody, including those ofJonathan Ferrell,John Crawford,Ezell Ford,Laquan McDonald,Akai Gurley,Tamir Rice,Eric Harris,Walter Scott,Freddie Gray,Sandra Bland,Samuel DuBose,Jeremy McDole,Alton Sterling, andPhilando Castile. In the summer of 2015, Black Lives Matter activists became involved in the 2016 United States presidential election. There have been many reactions to the Black Lives Matter movement. The U.S. population's perception of Black Lives Matter varies considerably by race. The phrase 'All Lives Matter' sprang up as a response to the Black Lives Matter movement. However, 'All Lives Matter' has been criticized for dismissing or misunderstanding the message of 'Black Lives Matter'. Following the shooting of two police officers in Ferguson, the hashtag Blue Lives Matter was created by supporters of the police. BLM has been encouraged to confront intraracial violence in the African American community." -- Summary retrieved on October 7, 2019 http://dbpedia.org/resource/Black_Lives_Matter

https://www.loc.gov/item/lcwaN0016241/


From DBpedia.org

Black Lives Matter (BLM) is a decentralized political and social movement protesting against incidents of police brutality and all racially motivated violence against black people. While there are specific organizations such as the Black Lives Matter Global Network that label themselves simply as "Black Lives Matter", the Black Lives Matter movement comprises a broad array of people and organizations. The slogan "Black Lives Matter" itself remains untrademarked by any group. The broader movement and its related organizations typically advocate against police violence toward black people as well as for various other policy changes considered to be related to black liberation.

https://dbpedia.org/page/Black_Lives_Matter



From Northwestern
https://csdd.northwestern.edu/documents/...witter.pdf

Hell even PEW emphasizes the Organizations focus on Black people, not the LGBT community
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trend...-movement/


I could go on. But no one but Huggy thinks BLM is an LGBTQ organization. It's a black organization with 2 LGBTQ founders that don't gatekeep issues nor do they embrace Huggy's weird distinction between Black LGBTQ black people and straight Black people.

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Hell even the article Huggy cited makes clear their focus has been on straight black men 

By design, the movement they started in 2013 has remained organic, grassroots and diffuse. Since then, many of the largest Black Lives Matter protests have been fueled by the violence against Black men, including Mike Brown and Eric Garner in 2015, and now George Floyd and Ahmaud Arbery.

But it's not only straight, cisgender Black men who are dying at the hands of police. Last month, a Black transgender man, Tony McDade, 38, was shot and killed by police in Tallahassee.

[The Architect Of Fate]

So let's sum up 

-A branch of BLM led by straight black women back Jussie Smollett and made it clear their support was founded on his blackness not his status as a gay person 

-BLM is a black organization with LGBTQ founders and doesn't embrace Huggy's fringe distinction between different kinds of black people.

-BLM is recognized by pretty much everyone as a Black movement, not an LGBT movement.

Those are the facts

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Also, need I mention GLAAD already made it clear they in  February 2019 in a joint statement with ColorOfChange that they were concerned about the Smollet Story 


Now well this is weak it's not straight up Denial unlike a straight black BLM leader who is saying it didn't happen even after he has been convicted 

The below is a statement from Dr. Melina Abdullah, Director of BLM Grassroots and Co-Founder of BLM Los Angeles, regarding the ongoing trial of Jussie Smollett:
As abolitionists, we approach situations of injustice with love and align ourselves with our community. Because we got us. So let’s be clear: we love everybody in our community. It’s not about a trial or a verdict decided in a white supremacist charade, it’s about how we treat our community when corrupt systems are working to devalue their lives. In an abolitionist society, this trial would not be taking place, and our communities would not have to fight and suffer to prove our worth. Instead, we find ourselves, once again, being forced to put our lives and our value in the hands of judges and juries operating in a system that is designed to oppress us, while continuing to face a corrupt and violent police department, which has proven time and again to have no respect for our lives.
In our commitment to abolition, we can never believe police, especially the Chicago Police Department (CPD) over Jussie Smollett, a Black man who has been courageously present, visible, and vocal in the struggle for Black freedom. While policing at-large is an irredeemable institution, CPD is notorious for its long and deep history of corruption, racism, and brutality. From the murders of Fred Hampton and Mark Clark, to the Burge tortures, to the murder of Laquan McDonald and subsequent cover-up, to the hundreds of others killed by Chicago police over the years and the thousands who survived abuse, Chicago police consistently demonstrate that they are among the worst of the worst. Police lie and Chicago police lie especially.
Black Lives Matter will continue to work towards the abolition of police and every unjust system. We will continue to love and protect one another, and wrap our arms around those who do the work to usher in Black freedom and, by extension, freedom for everyone else.

Note no mention of him Smollett's Homosexuality only his Blackness 

https://blacklivesmatter.com/statement-r...-smollett/

[Rev. Rye]

Intersectionality doesn't work if you include everyone but they don't include you.

You haven't answered the question

They don't include you? Are you sure about that, because I looked for major Hispanic and Asian rights orgs to see if they did anything about black issues.

So, here's the President of LULAC, the oldest and largest Hispanic org in the history on the death of George Floyd:



Well, that was based as fuck.

And here's an article from the AAJC (the first org to come up when I googled "Asian American Rights Organization") about how politicans are changing the laws to disenfranchise mostly black and Latino voters, and here's another press release about George Floyd.

And while I can't find a video of the president of the AAJC saying some extremely based things about the killing of George Floyd, here's a news story about Asians fighting the good fight and protesting against Floyd's killing and with one protester even explaining why dividing races against each other only benefits the White Supremacist Power Structure:







So, yes, Huggy Bear, they actually do include Black issues in their protests. They may tend to focus on their own particular areas of concern, but they know that sometimes, Black people are having the same issues they're dealing with, and they know that the sort of "Every Marginalised Group For Itself" approach that you've been advocating for is a dead end.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Intersectionality doesn't work if you include everyone but they don't include you.

You haven't answered the question

They don't include you? Are you sure about that, because I looked for major Hispanic and Asian rights orgs to see if they did anything about black issues.

So, here's the President of LULAC, the oldest and largest Hispanic org in the history on the death of George Floyd:



Well, that was based as fuck.

And here's an article from the AAJC (the first org to come up when I googled "Asian American Rights Organization") about how politicans are changing the laws to disenfranchise mostly black and Latino voters, and here's another press release about George Floyd.

And while I can't find a video of the president of the AAJC saying some extremely based things about the killing of George Floyd, here's a news story about Asians fighting the good fight and protesting against Floyd's killing and with one protester even explaining why dividing races against each other only benefits the White Supremacist Power Structure:







So, yes, Huggy Bear, they actually do include Black issues in their protests. They may tend to focus on their own particular areas of concern, but they know that sometimes, Black people are having the same issues they're dealing with, and they know that the sort of "Every Marginalised Group For Itself" approach that you've been advocating for is a dead end.

The  Asain American Advocacy Fund backs black causes 
https://www.asianamericanadvocacyfund.or...lack-lives

The Latino Community Fund backs black causes 
https://lcfgeorgia.org/news/latino-commu...es-matter/

[Huggy Bear]

@Rev. Rye
Dude stop. You were just talking about how BLM had all these other groups mentioned on thier website, so compare apples to apples and sho where Lulac or Asian advocacy groups mentions advocating for African Americans on thier website.

The cop that shot and killed Philando Castille was Hispanic, Trayvon Martin's killer, George Zimmerman is Hispanic. There was another police shooting of an unarmed black man, Akai Gurley, that involved an Asian officer. The Asian community PROTESTED IN SUPPORT OF THE OFFICER, so miss me with that.

Also, Hispanics classify themselves as white.

[Rev. Rye]

I mentioned that they supported other causes, not that they supported any specific orgs.

[The Architect Of Fate]

And the hair spitting continues.

It isn't enough that these groups protest and openly advocate for black rights it has to be on the website or it doesn't count 

It isn't enough that Asian groups advocate for Black rights because some Asians didn't and of course a great deal of guilt by association for Hispanics.

It has to be hyper-specific or it doesn't count somehow

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If some Asians support a killer cop all Asians are to be condemned. If Zimmerman happens to be Hispanic then all Hispanics are at fault. So if Black people murder or attack Asians are all Black people responsible even if members of the black community say that's wrong.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Blac...265893.php

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I mentioned that they supported other causes, not that they supported any specific orgs.

No that doesn't fit Huggy's narrative.

[The Architect Of Fate]

By the way, not all Asians Supported Peter Liang (Akai Gurley's killer )and those who did were mad he was being put on trial white cops who shot black people were not.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/...ay-forward

https://bklyner.com/asian-american-orgs-...nsonhurst/

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc...-1.2150568

[Huggy Bear]

@Rev. Rye
Since you brought up LULAC being the "oldest and largest Hispanic org in history" Hows this for intersectionality?

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The  Asain American Advocacy Fund backs black causes 
https://www.asianamericanadvocacyfund.or...lack-lives

The Latino Community Fund backs black causes 
https://lcfgeorgia.org/news/latino-commu...es-matter/

BLM is a national organization, GLAAD is a national organization LULAC is a national organization...

The best you could do was point to some obscure local organizations located in Georgia which has a very high percentage of black people, (52% of Atlanta is black).