Covid 19 conspiracies dump

[LadyForCamus]

Several provinces have unveiled their plans to loosen COVID-19 restrictions, with Alberta and Saskatchewan moving to end measures such as vaccine passports and mask mandates within days or hours. 

What’s your point, exactly? That has, so far, been the usual action taken when case rates and hospitalizations drop significantly, despite warnings from public health officials. It’s like you don’t read things.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronaviru...-1.5764194

[The Grand Nudger]

Conspiracists "read between the lines", and often feel as though the contents of their fantasies are or should be obvious despite it not being present on the page in a given article.

This is how nutballs wound up with the idea that there were kids in the basement at a pizza parlor, for example. I try to remember that whenever I'm dealing with the afflicted.

[Rev. Rye]

Several provinces have unveiled their plans to loosen COVID-19 restrictions, with Alberta and Saskatchewan moving to end measures such as vaccine passports and mask mandates within days or hours. 

What’s your point, exactly? That has, so far, been the usual action taken when case rates and hospitalizations drop significantly, despite warnings from public health officials. It’s like you don’t read things.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronaviru...-1.5764194

Earlier, I compared IA to Tim Pool, but I think this might be a better match:

[The Architect Of Fate]

Several provinces have unveiled their plans to loosen COVID-19 restrictions, with Alberta and Saskatchewan moving to end measures such as vaccine passports and mask mandates within days or hours. 

What’s your point, exactly? That has, so far, been the usual action taken when case rates and hospitalizations drop significantly, despite warnings from public health officials. It’s like you don’t read things.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronaviru...-1.5764194

The only thing these morons have accomplished is being a nuisance

[Irreligious Atheist]

What’s your point, exactly? That has, so far, been the usual action taken when case rates and hospitalizations drop significantly, despite warnings from public health officials. It’s like you don’t read things.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronaviru...-1.5764194

Earlier, I compared IA to Tim Pool, but I think this might be a better match:

I thought you were making good faith arguments, and you were doing a decent job defending your positions for a while, and if you were going to get anyone to change their mind on this subject, you had the right approach to this imo, but now you're just falling into the childish insults like the others, calling people idiots who can't read. It's a shame, Rye. You sound like you have zero understanding of politics right now. Politicians are not going to come out and say, here you go, I'm giving into demands. That's not how politics works, my friend, so stop being naive. You are more intelligent than that. It was likely a combination of the protests/border blockage, the facts of covid declining, and upcoming elections. The Premiere said in the video "It's time for us to heal the divisions in our community over vaccination". Did you even watch the video? Sounds like I can't read, and you can't click a play button. He wasn't referring to the protests when he was talking about division in our community over the vaccine, right? What world are you living in right now? And they don't usually just announce an abrupt end to restrictions happening almost immediately, "within hours". That's not how these things have happened in the past. This is being done much differently. And if I had posted the covid information coming out of those places, I highly doubt you would have been in support of taking masks off of the children in schools and no longer requiring vaccine passports, so there's that too.

[Rev. Rye]

Politicians are not going to come out and say, here you go, I'm giving into demands. That's not how politics works, my friend, so stop being naive. You are more intelligent than that. It was likely a combination of the protests/border blockage, the facts of covid declining, and upcoming elections. The Premiere said in the video "It's time for us to heal the divisions in our community over vaccination". Did you even watch the video? Sounds like I can't read, and you can't click a play button. He wasn't referring to the protests when he was talking about division in our community over the vaccine, right? What world are you living in right now? And they don't usually just announce an abrupt end to restrictions happening almost immediately, "within hours". That's not how these things have happened in the past. This is being done much differently. And if I had posted the covid information coming out of those places, I highly doubt you would have been in support of taking masks off of the children in schools and no longer requiring vaccine passports, so there's that too.

1) You argue that politicians aren't going to just say they're giving into demands, and citing that part of the reason for the new measures are because of the protests and because of the upcoming elections. A bit of a contradiction there, innit? Although, that said, given that said premier has tended to have a fairly lax view of handling the pandemic from the beginning, I suspect that the convoy gave him a semi-decent excuse to do what he was already inclined to do anyway. 

2) COVID-19 may be declining, but how long will that last, and will that decline keep up when restrictions are lifted or will it start to flare up again? It happened the first time America tried reopening, and it's still happening. And if you want to ask when I think we should be able to reopen safely, I'd have to say, I don't know, ask one of the actual experts.

3) Yes, there has been division in communities over the vaccine since before the convoy started its protests. Unfortunately, it's mostly due to the spread of misinformation and people being primed to not listen to those who actually know what they're talking about.

[Irreligious Atheist]

Politicians are not going to come out and say, here you go, I'm giving into demands. That's not how politics works, my friend, so stop being naive. You are more intelligent than that. It was likely a combination of the protests/border blockage, the facts of covid declining, and upcoming elections. The Premiere said in the video "It's time for us to heal the divisions in our community over vaccination". Did you even watch the video? Sounds like I can't read, and you can't click a play button. He wasn't referring to the protests when he was talking about division in our community over the vaccine, right? What world are you living in right now? And they don't usually just announce an abrupt end to restrictions happening almost immediately, "within hours". That's not how these things have happened in the past. This is being done much differently. And if I had posted the covid information coming out of those places, I highly doubt you would have been in support of taking masks off of the children in schools and no longer requiring vaccine passports, so there's that too.

1) You argue that politicians aren't going to just say they're giving into demands, and citing that part of the reason for the new measures are because of the protests and because of the upcoming elections. A bit of a contradiction there, innit? Although, that said, given that said premier has tended to have a fairly lax view of handling the pandemic from the beginning, I suspect that the convoy gave him a semi-decent excuse to do what he was already inclined to do anyway. 

2) COVID-19 may be declining, but how long will that last, and will that decline keep up when restrictions are lifted or will it start to flare up again? It happened the first time America tried reopening, and it's still happening. And if you want to ask when I think we should be able to reopen safely, I'd have to say, I don't know, ask one of the actual experts.

3) Yes, there has been division in communities over the vaccine since before the convoy started its protests. Unfortunately, it's mostly due to the spread of misinformation and people being primed to not listen to those who actually know what they're talking about.

No, it's not a contradiction and I don't see any point you are making here. The Premiere said we need to heal the divide, but he didn't outright say he was giving in to any demands. This is how politicians speak. If the Premiere was already inclined to do this and this gave him the extra push needed, that's still a win and we'll take it.

Both sides have been spreading dis/misinformation, but for some reason you always have an excuse to cover for your side when they are shown to be wrong over and over again. Fauci and the establishment spread the lie that vaccinations were the route to herd immunity with covid. This narrative turned out to be completely false, and the establishment and Fauci were either completely guessing and throwing shit at the wind, or they outright lied. You, Rev. Rye, and Sungula and others posted misinformation and claimed that vaccination was better than natural immunity. You were wrong. Why did you post misinformation? I believe it was Nudge who posted that Omicron was only less severe for the vaccinated. Again, this is misinformation, and I showed this to be misinformation. President Joe Biden, Rachel Maddow, the ladies of the View, and on and on told us that vaccinated people are not going to get the virus or pass it on. Lies. According to you, my side of this, who can't read and are basically all retards, should just completely submit to the mainstream and their falsehoods when they lie over and over again, and you smear us as hating science when your side has been debunked by science over and over again? You need to take a long look in the mirror and at your own side.

[Disagreeable]

Yeah, do the opposite of what this guy says. This is really bad advice. You should be spending plenty of time outdoors. Chance of spread is much lower outdoors and you need the vitamin D and exercise, and the internet can not replace real life interaction.

No.

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It simply is not your fault if a given poster cannot decide their own gender.

It might even be revealing in a way.

What if they're bigender, genderfluid, genderless or otherwise non-binary? I'm an enby myself. Revealing in what way?

[arewethereyet]

1) You argue that politicians aren't going to just say they're giving into demands, and citing that part of the reason for the new measures are because of the protests and because of the upcoming elections. A bit of a contradiction there, innit? Although, that said, given that said premier has tended to have a fairly lax view of handling the pandemic from the beginning, I suspect that the convoy gave him a semi-decent excuse to do what he was already inclined to do anyway. 

2) COVID-19 may be declining, but how long will that last, and will that decline keep up when restrictions are lifted or will it start to flare up again? It happened the first time America tried reopening, and it's still happening. And if you want to ask when I think we should be able to reopen safely, I'd have to say, I don't know, ask one of the actual experts.

3) Yes, there has been division in communities over the vaccine since before the convoy started its protests. Unfortunately, it's mostly due to the spread of misinformation and people being primed to not listen to those who actually know what they're talking about.

No, it's not a contradiction and I don't see any point you are making here. The Premiere said we need to heal the divide, but he didn't outright say he was giving in to any demands. This is how politicians speak. If the Premiere was already inclined to do this and this gave him the extra push needed, that's still a win and we'll take it.

Both sides have been spreading dis/misinformation, but for some reason you always have an excuse to cover for your side when they are shown to be wrong over and over again. Fauci and the establishment spread the lie that vaccinations were the route to herd immunity with covid. This narrative turned out to be completely false, and the establishment and Fauci were either completely guessing and throwing shit at the wind, or they outright lied. You, Rev. Rye, and Sungula and others posted misinformation and claimed that vaccination was better than natural immunity. You were wrong. Why did you post misinformation? I believe it was Nudge who posted that Omicron was only less severe for the vaccinated. Again, this is misinformation, and I showed this to be misinformation. President Joe Biden, Rachel Maddow, the ladies of the View, and on and on told us that vaccinated people are not going to get the virus or pass it on. Lies. According to you, my side of this, who can't read and are basically all retards, should just completely submit to the mainstream and their falsehoods when they lie over and over again, and you smear us as hating science when your side has been debunked by science over and over again? You need to take a long look in the mirror and at your own side.

Show us on the doll where Fauci hurt you.

Your obsession with him is getting ridiculous.

[Rev. Rye]

The vaccines likely would have been a route to herd immunity if enough people actually took them reach herd immunity. With Delta, it would have been something like 80%, so if 20% refused to take it, we wouldn’t reach it.

And, bear in mind, a lot of the “misinformation” that Sung, Khem, and I posted was backed up by peer-reviewed research into the vaccine. And when you tried the same thing instead of people just talking shit on YouTube, you managed to conveniently misread the results of the study.

Also, unlike you, I tend to draw a difference between information that’s out of date and outright misinformation. A lot of “the narrative” worked well for the first variants, but given that omicron was different from the alpha and delta variants, some things had to change to work.

To quote John Maynard Keynes (allegedly) “when the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do sir?” The mainstream narrative changes because we find out more about the diseases, either because time passes and things become clearer, or because a new variant comes along and changes the rules. And what has your lot (and if not exactly your lot, the lot you’ve fallen in with) been doing about the pandemic? Well, since a few weeks after shit got real, you’ve been doing everything in your power to downplay how serious it is and decry any and all measures to try and contain the spread. I suppose it might mean you’ve been more consistent over the last two years, but consistency is only a virtue if you aren’t a total fuck-up.