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RE: The existence of God
September 4, 2022 at 1:19 pm
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We observe man-made objects and how we know it was designed because we designed them. Now show me the sun factory where suns are created by magic.
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RE: The existence of God
September 4, 2022 at 1:25 pm
Well, magic would be a third possibility. Organic chemistry, gods, and magic. Maybe life is explained by magic and not gods or chemistry.
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RE: The existence of God
September 4, 2022 at 1:29 pm
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(September 4, 2022 at 1:09 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I take it that you dont think, then, that organic chemistry is any less plausible an explanation for life than some god? I could come up with more if you like, obviously not limited to just those two.
Let's say organic chemistry is the scientific explanation for life, but not the full explanation. The thing is, theists argue that explanations work on more than one level.
I explained that in detail in a previous comment : https://atheistforums.org/thread-64357-p...pid2112546.
(September 4, 2022 at 1:09 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You’re right though, we do see factories pumping out machines. Do you expect to find a little baby biplane snuggled somewhere in the middle of a space shuttle? I don’t, and you won’t, and that’s one pretty obvious difference between designed things and organically derived things.
As a matter of fact yes, I can very well encounter a broken biplane in the middle of nowhere, or some remnants of, say, some uncompleted space project. I mean, it's not rare that people lose objects or leave them behind in all kinds of places ?
I have a big problem with the distinction you made above : designed things versus organically derived things, don't you see that you're already smuggling the conclusion that organically derived things aren't designed ?
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RE: The existence of God
September 4, 2022 at 1:30 pm
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(September 4, 2022 at 1:19 pm)Helios Wrote: We observe man-made objects and how we know it was designed because we designed them. Now show me the sun factory where suns are created by magic.
I am using an ACER laptop right now, and I never walked into an ACER company or any of its assembly plants, nor saw or encountered any of their engineers. Should I believe that my computer is designed ? if yes, why?
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RE: The existence of God
September 4, 2022 at 1:33 pm
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Quote:I am using an ACER laptop right now, and I never walked into an ACER company or any of its assembly plants, nor saw or encountered any of their engineers. Should I believe that my computer is designed ? if yes, why?
Now show me the sun factory that makes suns by magic.
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RE: The existence of God
September 4, 2022 at 1:36 pm
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(September 4, 2022 at 1:33 pm)Helios Wrote: Quote:I am using an ACER laptop right now, and I never walked into an ACER company or any of its assembly plants, nor saw or encountered any of their engineers. Should I believe that my computer is designed ? if yes, why?
Now show me the sun factory that makes suns by magic.
The video is a made-up conspiracy by pro-ACER propagandists (the same way theists produce videos of purported miracles). ACER companies most likely don't exist and my computer is the product of incremental evolution of natural chemical components.
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RE: The existence of God
September 4, 2022 at 1:37 pm
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So you dont, then, expect to find a biplane inside of a space shuttle. Maybe a field somewhere. Yet, this is exactly what we find with life, and do not find in the many machines you observe.
Idk about the other guy…but I for one would very much enjoy watching you go down that particular hole. It’s already pretty funny.
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RE: The existence of God
September 4, 2022 at 1:38 pm
(September 4, 2022 at 1:36 pm)R00tKiT Wrote: (September 4, 2022 at 1:33 pm)Helios Wrote:
Now show me the sun factory that makes suns by magic.
The video is a made-up conspiracy by pro-ACER propagandists (the same way theists produce videos of purported miracles). ACER companies most likely don't exist and my computer is the product of incremental evolution of natural chemical components.
Are you sure you want to go down this road with me?
Yes.
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RE: The existence of God
September 4, 2022 at 1:41 pm
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Quote:The video is a made-up conspiracy by pro-ACER propagandists (the same way theists produce videos of purported miracles). ACER companies most likely don't exist and my computer is the product of incremental evolution of natural chemical components.
Nope it's rather obvious it's a man-made object and a hell of a lot more evidence than a magic sky wizard poofing things into existence
Quote:Are you sure you want to go down this road with me?
If by road you mean I provided live evidence of the claim laptops are manmade while you have yet to show me a sun factory where suns are created by magic
Sorry, your silly attempt to compare my real skepticism of your baseless claims of design for non-man-made objects to your made-up skepticism of objects that are observably man-made is simply dumb.... 
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RE: The existence of God
September 4, 2022 at 1:42 pm
(September 4, 2022 at 1:38 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (September 4, 2022 at 1:36 pm)R00tKiT Wrote: The video is a made-up conspiracy by pro-ACER propagandists (the same way theists produce videos of purported miracles). ACER companies most likely don't exist and my computer is the product of incremental evolution of natural chemical components.
Are you sure you want to go down this road with me?
Yes. I will be a short road because his comparison is simply absurd...
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