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RE: Atheism, theism, agnosticism, gnosticism, ignosticism
October 7, 2022 at 2:17 pm
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-thus demonstrating that the problem is not agreement about "the source" but whether or not some asserted "source" is even relevant. No amount of any god or number of gods, real or imagined, claiming otherwise.... matters, because the claims of gods are not even -a- source for truth. If I want to know how old the universe is, I'm not going to seek the advice of some silly character in a story. I'm going to look at..wait for it...the universe.....
As it stands..even if there are gods, those gods are idiots who just don't know how all this happened. Woke up one day like the rest of us, and tell tall tales when asked such questions. Fucking Dwayne Johnson is an equivalent authority.....he's gonna need that boat, cuz he's sailing away....
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RE: Atheism, theism, agnosticism, gnosticism, ignosticism
October 10, 2022 at 6:44 am
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(October 6, 2022 at 6:45 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: If I were a betting man, I'd bet that agnosticism is more prevalent among former believers than people who were never there to begin with - were the demo split up along those lines.
That was my position, sometimes to a former believer 'agnostic' is more a natural way to go in that it's easier to go the 'it's impossible to know for sure' route. Though now I consider myself an athiest. I'm convinced (so far as we can say we are convinced) that no gods exist.
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RE: Atheism, theism, agnosticism, gnosticism, ignosticism
October 10, 2022 at 9:48 am
(October 10, 2022 at 6:44 am)possibletarian Wrote: (October 6, 2022 at 6:45 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: If I were a betting man, I'd bet that agnosticism is more prevalent among former believers than people who were never there to begin with - were the demo split up along those lines.
That was my position, sometimes to a former believer 'agnostic' is more a natural way to go in that it's easier to go the 'it's impossible to know for sure' route. Though now I consider myself an athiest. I'm convinced (so far as we can say we are convinced) that no gods exist.
A good book I'd recommend is "Dot, Dot, Dot...Infinity Plus God Equal Folly" by the mathematician Dr. James A. Lindsay. He discusses how 0.9999 repeating is equal to 1; in terms of the Dawkins Scale, 6.9999 repeating would be equal to 7.
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RE: Atheism, theism, agnosticism, gnosticism, ignosticism
October 10, 2022 at 11:37 am
But when someone says they're a 6.9999 on the Dawkin's Scale, I'm pretty sure they're not intending a repeating infinite 9. It's just a way of saying they're much closer to 7 than 6, but not all the way there.
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RE: Atheism, theism, agnosticism, gnosticism, ignosticism
October 10, 2022 at 12:46 pm
Dr. Lindsay makes a good comparison of Christianity with that of The Force and why we ought to view both as being 6.999 repeating.
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RE: Atheism, theism, agnosticism, gnosticism, ignosticism
October 29, 2022 at 4:49 pm
(October 6, 2022 at 12:53 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Belief - the psychological state in which one accepts a premise or proposition as being true, or likely true.
Knowledge - a subset of belief. Sometimes defined as "justified true belief".
Theism - broadly defined as the belief in the existence of a supreme being or deities.
Atheism - is commonly understood as non-acceptance or rejection of theism in the broadest sense of theism, i.e. non-acceptance or rejection of belief in God or gods.
gnosticism - one who claims to know that a god exist. Different than the Gnostic religious sects who place personal spiritual experience with a god, over orthodox teachings or authority.
Agnosticism - view that the existence of God, of the divine or the supernatural is unknown, and possibly unknowable.
Ignosticism - the idea that the question of the existence of God is meaningless because the word "God" has no coherent and unambiguous definition. Belief - The judgment that a certain unobserved thing existed, exists, or will exist
Knowledge - Understanding the characteristics of an observed thing.
Theism - The belief that a sentient being greater than man created reality
Atheism - The judgment that a sentient being greater than man who created reality has not been validly demonstrated to have existed or to exist
Gnosticism - A soteriology based on learning hidden knowledge (usually one a broad class of early Jesus movements)
Agnosticism - The position that belief in a sentient being greater than man who created reality is to be withheld in the absence of evidence (perhaps identical to my definition of atheism given above)
Ignosticism - (a neologism?)
Antitheism - The judgment that a sentient being greater than man who created reality cannot and does not exist (this is my position with respect to the god described in the Bible, and also in the Summa Theologica, based on internal contradictions).
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