Compulsory Voting

[FlatAssembler]

There are different arguments for veganism, not all of them having to do with health (nutritional science). Ethical veganism is a thing. Most ethicists today think it is morally bad to eat meat from mammals.
Other than that, there are environmental arguments for veganism. Essentially three of them: we would have more food if we were not giving all that grain to farmed animals, grass-fed cows emit a lot of methane, and factory farming the way it's done today leads to superbacteria.

Nah, eating meat is fine. It's good for you.

How is it good for me? Meat from mammals is especially bad since it contains a lot of heme iron. That's the form of iron that causes colon cancer. Not to mention saturated fat and methionine...

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

The ethical argument for veganism is a really bad one.

It goes like this: it's the scientific consensus (look up Cambridge Declaration of Consciousness) that many animals, including all the birds and mammals and perhaps even octopuses, have consciousness. So, if it is wrong to kill humans, it is also wrong to kill those animals, for similar reasons.

Weren’t you the one advocating killing cats?

Boru

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I've never heard of Michael Huemer, but he appears (based solely on the above) to be an idiot.

Boru

He is an anarcho-capitalist and a vegan philosopher. Why would he be an idiot? Things he says sound very wise to me.

The notion that voting is immoral doesn’t sound particularly wise, and anyone advocating any of the various forms of anarchism doesn’t understand human nature.

Boru

[Fireball]

It goes like this: it's the scientific consensus (look up Cambridge Declaration of Consciousness) that many animals, including all the birds and mammals and perhaps even octopuses, have consciousness. So, if it is wrong to kill humans, it is also wrong to kill those animals, for similar reasons.

Weren’t you the one advocating killing cats?

Boru

Yes, but you can't eat them!

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Weren’t you the one advocating killing cats?

Boru

Yes, but you can't eat them!

Of course you can.

Boru

[Angrboda]

I think I got this thread mixed up with another one. For some reason, I read that as compulsory vomiting.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I think I got this thread mixed up with another one.  For some reason, I read that as compulsory vomiting.

I’m delighted to state that I have never vomited voluntarily.

Boru

[brewer]

There are different arguments for veganism, not all of them having to do with health (nutritional science). Ethical veganism is a thing. Most ethicists today think it is morally bad to eat meat from mammals.
Other than that, there are environmental arguments for veganism. Essentially three of them: we would have more food if we were not giving all that grain to farmed animals, grass-fed cows emit a lot of methane, and factory farming the way it's done today leads to superbacteria.

You need to come and eat deer, goat, elk, buffalo, ground hog, squirrel, turkey, duck, goose. The list goes on.

Piss off!

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

There are different arguments for veganism, not all of them having to do with health (nutritional science). Ethical veganism is a thing. Most ethicists today think it is morally bad to eat meat from mammals.
Other than that, there are environmental arguments for veganism. Essentially three of them: we would have more food if we were not giving all that grain to farmed animals, grass-fed cows emit a lot of methane, and factory farming the way it's done today leads to superbacteria.

You need to come and eat deer, goat, elk, buffalo, ground hog, squirrel, turkey, duck, goose. The list goes on.

Piss off!

I’m on board with everything but the two rodents.

Boru

[FlatAssembler]

It goes like this: it's the scientific consensus (look up Cambridge Declaration of Consciousness) that many animals, including all the birds and mammals and perhaps even octopuses, have consciousness. So, if it is wrong to kill humans, it is also wrong to kill those animals, for similar reasons.

Weren’t you the one advocating killing cats?

Boru

Because cats, if they live, they always kill quite a few birds and rodents. Killing a cat is like killing somebody before they commit a mass shooting. It is not wrong to kill somebody who is about to commit a mass shooting, is it? For the same reason, it is not wrong to kill a cat.