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RE: The mouth of Sauron has spoken
December 31, 2022 at 4:23 pm
(December 31, 2022 at 4:19 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (December 31, 2022 at 3:54 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: so instead of being there, so that their powers cannot be put to good use lest it be seen, why don’t they just hide where men and elves can’t see them, and send anonymous and seemingly fortuitous, thunders, lightning and tornadoes to get rid of the orcs.
The problem with sword and sorcery fantasy is sorcery would rather tend to make sword superfluous, just as if the power to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force, then why does the Masters of the Darkside keep building more death stars to be blown up?
Their mission was to unite the Free Peoples to deal with Sauron, not to overthrow him themselves.
Boru Indeed, the wizards were advisors, not warriors. They weren't meant to solve all Arda's problems but to teach the mortal races how to do that themselves. Trying to mold the world to their liking is what corrupted Morgoth and Sauron.
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RE: The mouth of Sauron has spoken
December 31, 2022 at 4:25 pm
(December 31, 2022 at 4:13 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (December 31, 2022 at 2:58 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Talking about wizards in LOTR, is it not underwhelming that Gandalf uses a sword in battle? Why doesn't he use magic to fight? Maybe like sorcerers in the game Diablo.
Gandalf occasionally did use magic to fight - the wolf attack in The Hobbit, rescuing Faramir from the Nazgûl, etc.
But LG has it - not only were the Istari prohibited from using their magic openly, they were expressly forbidden from matching Sauron’s power with their own (which explains why LOTR didn’t culminate in a wizard’s duel.
Boru Also, the wizard can't use their full power in Arda even doing simple magic is difficult for them.
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RE: The mouth of Sauron has spoken
December 31, 2022 at 4:27 pm
(December 31, 2022 at 4:08 pm)LinuxGal Wrote: (December 31, 2022 at 3:54 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: so instead of being there, so that their powers cannot be put to good use lest it be seen, why don’t they just hide where men and elves can’t see them, and send anonymous and seemingly fortuitous, thunders, lightning and tornadoes to get rid of the orcs.
The problem with sword and sorcery fantasy is sorcery would rather tend to make sword superfluous, just as if the power to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force, then why does the Masters of the Darkside keep building more death stars to be blown up?
It took maybe twenty minutes for the Eagles to fly Sam and Frodo from Mt. Doom to Minas Tirith. If the Eagles flew them from Rivendell to Mt. Doom in the first place the whole trilogy would be skinnier'n the Book of Mormon with all the "exceedinglys" and "it came to passes" yanked out.
If the Eagles attempted to fly the Ring to Orodruin, the Nazgûl would have destroyed them and taken the Ring to Sauron.
And just to pick a nit, Frodo and Sam were brought to Ithilien, not Minas Tirith.
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RE: The mouth of Sauron has spoken
December 31, 2022 at 4:27 pm
(December 31, 2022 at 2:58 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Talking about wizards in LOTR, is it not underwhelming that Gandalf uses a sword in battle? Why doesn't he use magic to fight? Maybe like sorcerers in the game Diablo. Because they are forbidden from doing so and they can't really use much of their magic in Arda. Also, Gandalf's role was as a guide, not a fighter.
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RE: The mouth of Sauron has spoken
December 31, 2022 at 4:29 pm
(December 31, 2022 at 4:20 pm)Helios Wrote: (December 31, 2022 at 4:08 pm)LinuxGal Wrote: It took maybe twenty minutes for the Eagles to fly Sam and Frodo from Mt. Doom to Minas Tirith. If the Eagles flew them from Rivendell to Mt. Doom in the first place the whole trilogy would be skinnier'n the Book of Mormon with all the "exceedinglys" and "it came to passes" yanked out. If they took the eagles to Mordor they would all be dead as the success of their mission depended on secrecy at not getting the dark lords attention.
Exactly. The reasons against an open assault on Mordor were discussed at the Council of Elrond.
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RE: The mouth of Sauron has spoken
December 31, 2022 at 4:30 pm
(December 31, 2022 at 4:27 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (December 31, 2022 at 4:08 pm)LinuxGal Wrote: It took maybe twenty minutes for the Eagles to fly Sam and Frodo from Mt. Doom to Minas Tirith. If the Eagles flew them from Rivendell to Mt. Doom in the first place the whole trilogy would be skinnier'n the Book of Mormon with all the "exceedinglys" and "it came to passes" yanked out.
If the Eagles attempted to fly the Ring to Orodruin, the Nazgûl would have destroyed them and taken the Ring to Sauron.
And just to pick a nit, Frodo and Sam were brought to Ithilien, not Minas Tirith.
Boru Yup if they used the eagles they would be spotted immediately and killed. Secrecy was key to their mission.
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RE: The mouth of Sauron has spoken
December 31, 2022 at 6:52 pm
Why didn't Sauron invent 88mm FLAK guns?
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RE: The mouth of Sauron has spoken
December 31, 2022 at 7:46 pm
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(December 31, 2022 at 6:52 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Why didn't Sauron invent 88mm FLAK guns?
Apparently only black powder is known in the middle earth, not enough for flak guns.
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RE: The mouth of Sauron has spoken
December 31, 2022 at 7:47 pm
(December 31, 2022 at 6:52 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Why didn't Sauron invent 88mm FLAK guns? That seems like overkill to take out some birds
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RE: The mouth of Sauron has spoken
December 31, 2022 at 7:49 pm
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Also the chance that an 88mm flak can take down a single aircraft/bird was slim. It was a barrage weapon effective mainly against formations of aircraft that can’t maneuver. Adding surface to air missiles would destroy the mystique of middle earth, to say nothing of the fact that what had not been known to Tolkien would remain forever unknown even to the valar.
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