Earth's recent climate spiral.

[The Architect Of Fate]

I'm not saying that it will be great just far less dangerous than climate alarmists claim.

The fact is: We don’t really know.
 
But still: we are causing changes to happen within 100 year than normally occur within 10000 years.
 
+ we have models. We won’t be able to live in this planet at +4C and we will have many difficulties at +2C. We are already having important issues at +1.1 C.
 
So again: You’re just playing with your own life. Even a colony on Mars may not be enough to save you at +2C. And there is no planet B.  

He simply loves his buzzword " Climate Alarmist" ...

[The Architect Of Fate]

Poor countries should have lower fertility rate and American taxpayers don't owe them anything.

Or we could all work together and the American taxpayer could stop being a sociopath. And no one has to deplete their populous.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Ukraine doesn't give back anything to the US in exchange for aid and countries around the world don't pay a single penny for US protection of international supply chains.

You’re wrong. They are paying in human lives so that democratic countries are able to maintain themselves against authoritarianism. You're very wrong on that. 

His belief that a freer more stable world where nutbar dictators are running around everywhere invading countries isn't a benefit to the US because other countries don't pay the US protection money like they are the freaking Mafia really shows the Anti-Social mindset were dealing with.

[Anomalocaris]

I wonder if he realize America could not be happier if the area north of Moscow where he lives becomes poorer than Sahara. America’s underlying attitude towards Russia since the fall of the Soviet Union had been no one should have so much natural resource as Russia that they can leverage it to inconvenient America’s geopolitical agenda in Euroasia.

[Jackalope]

Honestly I don't know why anyone bothers playing chess with this pigeon.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Honestly I don't know why anyone bothers playing chess with this pigeon.

Oh come now that's an insult to pigeons.

[The Grand Nudger]

Already went that route - and our friend dmitry made it clear that none of this is actually about global warming, or expected benefits.  It's a desire to fuck the poors in search of an excuse to fuck the poors.  That's the unmalleable aspect of his worldview.

I don’t remember the clear figures but it is the 1% very rich people of the world who are causing more than 50% of climate change.
 
On thing he is right about is that: “We are nice but we are too many”.
 
I think the ideal population of this planet is around 4 billion. A 10 billion planet is simply not possible.
 
See how he is able to tap on such real facts to distort the whole story and even turn it into “coal can still go on”.
 
-       No it can’t. We have to find ways to completely abandon fossil fuels by 2050. Than we can have a chance as a specie. Otherwise we don’t. And these are facts.

Consider how the bolded bits persuasively argue against each other.  It's not the number of people, it's how we organize our lives and industry.  The original malthusian predictions failed for the same reason.  7 billion or so reasons, to put a fine point on it.  Similarly, Marion Hubbert was wrong about peak oil in the 50's, then it's revamped advocates fucked the pooch again in the start of the 00's.  

We won't abandon fossil fuels by 2050.  It wouldn't surprise me if they're still around in 3050.  We still have windmills and water wheels and steam power, too. Thus, the real issue, is how we plan for a future that doesn't depend on magical thinking in the form of a global warming benefit or a post ff world.  Ultimately, the issue is to do what we should have always been doing, and make better use of and take better care of our resources even without considering things like global warming.  

We've squandered a great deal of the very stuff we'll need to build that future world, and, in the long term...imo... that's even worse than the incidental effects of squandering it.   So much worse, that unless we get better -at that- then cutting back on carbon is polishing brass on the titanic. In that larger context, people aren't the problem, we're the solution. We're the only things we know of that even give a shit about this world - and it's going to take alot of us doing alot of actual labor. We're certainly the only things capable of effecting the sorts of changes we're seeing now for the worse..but there's no reason we couldn't make it better. Case in point, a green sahara? If we want a green sahara then there's no reason to let global warming make one at the expense of so many of us. We can do it directly. Seems to me like we might even need the practice, if our hare brained two planet idea is supposed to be anything other than a shameless con. Not particularly difficult in theory, just one hell of an engineering project. Africa has a massive untapped reservoir of water. Pump it. Block the wind, slow down the water, introduce deep rooting and matting invasives and grazers to spread them. Monetize the gains. All of that could only be elective, though, just something we do because we want to...it's not like we need it. We already grow enough food for 10b or more people even though we do it in a horrendously dumb way, by turning ff's into food. Hasn't kept us from starving, either, so I guess there's also that.

[Jackalope]

Honestly I don't know why anyone bothers playing chess with this pigeon.

Oh come now that's an insult to pigeons.

I'll be sure to apologize to the next one I see.

[Leonardo17]

Poor countries should have lower fertility rate and American taxpayers don't owe them anything.

Or we could all work together and the American taxpayer could stop being a sociopath. And no one has to deplete their populous.

There is this organization called SEWA in India (Self Employed Women’s Association: https://www.sewa.org/) And Hillary Clinton made a speech at that NGO today (in the city of Ahmedabad). Together they created something called the Global Climate Resilience Fund to help developing nations adapt to the effects of climate change.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hillary-clint...26707.html
 
 
- This is exactly the type of effort that is needed.
1) To support women becoming economically independent in order to allow them to make decisions over their own bodies (in order to stop the very high fertility rates in third world countries)
And 2) To try to develop some adaptation strategies which should include supporting third world countries in their energy transition.

[Leonardo17]

You’re wrong. They are paying in human lives so that democratic countries are able to maintain themselves against authoritarianism. You're very wrong on that. 

His belief that a freer more stable world where nutbar dictators are running around everywhere invading countries isn't a benefit to the US because other countries don't pay the US protection money like they are the freaking Mafia really shows the Anti-Social mindset were dealing with.

+ More climate disasters can mean more danger to democratically governed countries around the world. So if (God forbid) there are things like hunger or high inflation in developed countries this can mean a rise of populism + war (because populism usually goes in pair with war). So I really don’t think he knows what he is saying