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Empirical evidence of the "Holy Spirit"
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How is the indwelling Jesus of Pauline theology empirically manifested? Paul would say that the "fruit of the Spirit" provides such. However, the so-called fruits of the Spirit are common human virtues--
Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, self-control. Can anyone offer the empirical evidence for which I am calling?  RE: Empirical evidence of the "Holy Spirit"
December 9, 2011 at 11:24 pm
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(December 9, 2011 at 9:36 pm)Barre Wrote: How is the indwelling Jesus of Pauline theology empirically manifested? Paul would say that the "fruit of the Spirit" provides such. However, the so-called fruits of the Spirit are common human virtues-- The Holy Spirit is part of the Christian triune god,which in turn is only one of the millions of gods human beings have worshipped. So far ,nobody has ever provided any empirical evidence for ANY god. Due to the total lack of credible evidence to the contrary, I'm forced to conclude,that all gods,without exception,were probably invented by humans for humans. Quote:Religion: man's attempt to communicate with the weather (anon) 
So far the only potential empirical evidence I have heard of is personal experiences. I honestly believe the people who have them think they really did experience God but I believe it is them experiencing some of the many wonders of the human brain.
However some people have them and some don't and sometimes people claim different things with them. It is a bit hard to nail down and nothing can be demonstrated outside of their own experience to you. Essentially it is a proof, although I think its a misunderstanding, to themselves alone. 
The indwelling jesus is often expressed with a good fart.
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Show me evidence of the holy spirit and I'll show you a black chiropodist with a sense of humour
Anymouse
Worshipper of Caffeinea, Goddess of Coffee.  Religious Views: Atheist (formerly Wiccan, with a Discordian bent). Erotic Romance novel editor. Handfasted to BethK, the smartest, coolest, sexiest, brightest atheist here. RE: Empirical evidence of the "Holy Spirit"
December 10, 2011 at 4:25 am
(This post was last modified: December 10, 2011 at 4:26 am by Anymouse.)
The biggest problem is with the language. (I am speaking in my professional capacity as a Romance-novel editor now.) Like the word "theory," which is used in two senses: 1) A hypothesis, or dubious claim B) A logical edifice which accounts for all extant facts the word "evidence" has two meanings as well. Since all sides of the issue wish to stick to "their" definitions of the word (theist=subjective events are evidence, atheist=no they aren't), even that basic chasm cannot be bridged. And when playing bridge, generally y'all have to use the same deck. 'Taint fair to deal hands out of different decks. Neither side is particularly interested in yielding ground on even basic definitions of terms, as even that minor concession might be viewed as "surrender" or "retreat." So each side lobs salvos at the other, then posts YouTube videos with pithy titles like "Christian OOOOWWWWWNS athiest" or "Dawkins DESTROYS Mexican Masked Lucha Libre Wrestler/Christian Apologist." I think everyone gets more fun out of the argument than actually convincing anyone of anything. Could be wrong though. James. 
"Be ye not lost amongst Precept of Order." - Book of Uterus, 1:5, "Principia Discordia, or How I Found Goddess and What I Did to Her When I Found Her."
Excepting the fact that the two sides of necessity trade on different terms and consequently speak different languages. For an atheist to speak "xtian" that person would have to be xtian. So really, when it comes down to any such thing as "proof" or "evidence," the atheist side must expect to get no real answer, and when it comes to faith, the xtian side must expect the atheist side to express disgust due to lack of aforementioned evidence.
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 (December 10, 2011 at 4:14 am)5thHorseman Wrote: Show me evidence of the holy spirit and I'll show you a black chiropodist with a sense of humour I feel there is a tale to tell here. You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.  (December 9, 2011 at 9:36 pm)Barre Wrote: How is the indwelling Jesus of Pauline theology empirically manifested? Paul would say that the "fruit of the Spirit" provides such. However, the so-called fruits of the Spirit are common human virtues-- NO. Why? Because it's not real, Mr Pantheist. Hope that helps.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
(December 10, 2011 at 8:20 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote:(December 9, 2011 at 9:36 pm)Barre Wrote: How is the indwelling Jesus of Pauline theology empirically manifested? Paul would say that the "fruit of the Spirit" provides such. However, the so-called fruits of the Spirit are common human virtues-- |
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