If everything has a purpose then evil doesn't exist

[Ahriman]

Evidence of anything, at all,  that might suggest he is not just a no good lying nobody who happen to change upon more than his share of gullible fools like you?

The evidence for that is all around you. It seems your dispute is not with the evidence but the interpretation.

For if God is the author and creator of all things.. all things are 'evidence' of God. The issue you have is that you want to attribute all of creation to a different process. So again there is no lack of evidence. the dispute comes with your interpretation of said evidence. This would lead one to conclude that if you have reassigned the interpretation of all of creation to another cause other than our creator then whatever other evidence is provided you will simply assimilate to some other cause.

Which begs the question and why I asked; what evidence are you looking for specifically? because if you don't know, then nothing Can convince you otherwise.

There were men in Jesus' time who literally saw Jesus raise people from the dead make the lame walk the deaf hear people with leprosy be completely healed (they can't do that even today.) the blind see, and yet this for them was still not enough 'proof.' What makes you think you are any different if you do not have some minimum requirement of proof that can be demonstrated??

If God (or Jesus) thought all of that was "evidence" then he's an idiot, no one in their right mind would be convinced by any of that nonsense.

[R-Farmer]

evidence of what, Hell?

Hell can't be worse than this current world so I'm not concerned. If I end up there I end up there.

This world is Satan's kingdom. Most people take their quo's of hell from roman and or greek mythology where it is the domain of the under world god. When in fact this world is the domain of satan. Hell is where/How God sets out to destroy the things of this world. Not trying to be threatening or doom saying.. Just want you to have the information so you can make a well informed decision.

[R-Farmer]

The evidence for that is all around you. It seems your dispute is not with the evidence but the interpretation.

For if God is the author and creator of all things.. all things are 'evidence' of God. The issue you have is that you want to attribute all of creation to a different process. So again there is no lack of evidence. the dispute comes with your interpretation of said evidence. This would lead one to conclude that if you have reassigned the interpretation of all of creation to another cause other than our creator then whatever other evidence is provided you will simply assimilate to some other cause.

Which begs the question and why I asked; what evidence are you looking for specifically? because if you don't know, then nothing Can convince you otherwise.

There were men in Jesus' time who literally saw Jesus raise people from the dead make the lame walk the deaf hear people with leprosy be completely healed (they can't do that even today.) the blind see, and yet this for them was still not enough 'proof.' What makes you think you are any different if you do not have some minimum requirement of proof that can be demonstrated??

If God (or Jesus) thought all of that was "evidence" then he's an idiot, no one in their right mind would be convinced by any of that nonsense.

Cant the same be said for those who use creation as evidence of some other process?

[Ahriman]

Hell can't be worse than this current world so I'm not concerned. If I end up there I end up there.

This world is Satan's kingdom. Most people take their quo's of hell from roman and or greek mythology where it is the domain of the under world god. When in fact this world is the domain of satan. Hell is where/How God sets out to destroy the things of this world. Not trying to be threatening or doom saying.. Just want you to have the information so you can make a well informed decision.

Ok then I choose Hell. Anything to get away from God.

[Fake Messiah]

This makes Sin and Satan the rulers of this world.

Well, if Satan rules the world then god is very feeble and is not worth anyone's time.

I also said the reason we get cancer is because like a copy of a copy of a copy degrades over time so too does the human genome degrade over time.

Except, the human genome does not degrade over time. That is pseudoscience.

[h4ym4n]

Hell can't be worse than this current world so I'm not concerned. If I end up there I end up there.

This world is Satan's kingdom. Most people take their quo's of hell from roman and or greek mythology where it is the domain of the under world god. When in fact this world is the domain of satan. Hell is where/How God sets out to destroy the things of this world. Not trying to be threatening or doom saying.. Just want you to have the information so you can make a well informed decision.

Does satan have magical powers to influence my beliefs and actions?

If so, why is anyone responsible to what gods rules say?


How am I responsible, as a human, for what the almost all powerful, compared to human, satan is easily able to magically make me believe or do?

[Fake Messiah]

The Bible doesn't claim omnipotence for God either, only that he is very powerful. Powerful enough to create the universe (maybe not that big a flex since it's conceivable that we've already created universes by accident in cyclotrons) and flood the world; that doesn't necessarily mean that he could rearrange the galaxies to spell out 'See, I told you I was ' in English on a whim. Heck, creating the universe and us took him six days, he didn't create everything with a snap of his metaphorical fingers.

That just proves that god (of the Bible) is an archaic idea created by primitive people who knew very little about the world and let alone the universe. People in the ancient past thought that all species of animals could fit on one boat because they knew only a handful of animal species. Similar with the universe - they didn't know about galaxies, and they thought that world was flat. Today we know that the universe is too big for anyone to create it and manipulate it and that we hold no special place in it.

[h4ym4n]

Okay, are you saying the first time jesus ever made an appearance was after he was born from god having sex with a young virgin?

When was the Holy Ghost born or hand crafted by god?

God is a title and not a specific individual's name. God did not hand craft or invent himself.

Like wise God the Son who we know as Jesus like the father and Spirit was always in existence.

Jesus was the name of the Human host that contained the Spirit/Soul of God the Son. The Host body was born of marry.

So what you are saying Yahweh was never by itself 

Does the son spirit have independent thoughts? How about the spirit?

Can either say no to Yahweh ?

[The Grand Nudger]

Sorry, to many spinning plates. I get those two them backwards sometime.. yes I mean relative morality.

Well, as I said, I don't agree with you there.  You and your god might both be moral relativists, but I am not.  You might be interested in gods unchanging ultimate standards™ - but I prefer objective ones.

[Silver]

Yes indeedie..

But this works both ways.. From where I stand the fiction is God does not exist. So then that begs the question who is the one who determines what is and is not fiction?

We can adequately differentiate fiction, mythology, from reality based on the empirical evidence. God being as fictional as leprechauns is just a fact, because there is zero evidence for the existence of either.