If everything has a purpose then evil doesn't exist

[R-Farmer]

An unchanging deific perspective where interpretation can portray the position as tyrannical is not preferable to the humane world view.

Furthermore, god is not good just because he describes himself as such. A common trait with villains is that they always perceive themselves as doing good, wanting others to believe they are good, when a critical analysis shows they are not good.

And if even one person prefers the portrayal of the antagonist in the work of fiction, the writer has done a poor job of creating a protagonist worthy of acknowledgment.

good to know!

[R-Farmer]

Isn't it just grand that Ken Hamm sent one of his lackeys here to edumacate us?

Mmmm.... Hamm....

[Fake Messiah]

you are Right, morality or what you identified as 'right' can not exist outside of a society that supports it, as "right" is Not a self supporting self sustaining force. There are no inherent right or wrong traits. As right and wrong can only sustained by the power and authority of whom ever defines right. IE Might= right. I'm saying the right established by different countries/empires only last as long as the people do.

Now Because God has ultimate power and transcends all human authority His right is absolute.

This is why I make the distinction between God's righteousness and man's morality. As morality changes over time but God's righteousness Does not.

But how can you say a moral problem is wrong when the variables change over time? Again unless you can provide an example of at least one empirically universal permanent example of a unchanging moral standard that all society must accept, then it is as I pointed out. In that all forms of Morality (not righteousness) are in fact relative.

In our society racists are bad - which the god of the Bible definitely is - as is being infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully - all traits of your god.

I can say that god of the Bible is evil just like I can say that Ted Bundy, Hitler, and Charles Whitman are evil.

And if someone calls a racist morally wrong and your response is "What is morality?" then you are not exactly winning the argument.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

As there is no God the credit is available.

ok cool..

Thousands of years, no proof. You lose.

[The Grand Nudger]

You're sharing no such thing, lol.  You have hasty and lazy ad hoc rationalizations which don't survive the slightest whiff of scrutiny.  I guesss it's more important to have something to say, then to say something true, in your christian morality.  

You just told us you worship the god of the dungheap.  Is that true?  Next you'll tell us it turned on the water by cranking huge spigot.

so did I miss where you provided an example of object morality, or are you still working on that one? If you haven't found an example of object morality yet, then maybe we oughta pin in this discussion was the only recourse I see is the discussion degrading to ad hom attacks. I'm not saying their isn't such an example out there. I'm just unaware of one. until you find and provide such an example, this discussion becomes pointless.

Is there some objection you have to harm based objectivism?

"Testing within the parameters given" is not a form of objective testing.  It's explicitly limited by the parameter giver - and would thus be relativistic if that parameter giver were your society, or subjective if that parameter giver were a single individual.

To test something objectively is to ignore whatever ludicrous red lines god draws on his dick map.

So again, If I provided you with the world's best banana bread recipe, and you said no way! I bet it does even taste like banana! Then to test/prove me wrong, would you substitute the bananas for apples, and say to me that this banana bread (you baked with apples) doesn't even taste like B-bread?

If so how is this any different than NOT following God's prescribed path, but demanding He follow your methodology?

I'm not demanding shit my man.  I don't even demand that you follow my methodology.  I'm telling you why -I- couldn't be a christian even if I wanted to.  I'm not a shitty enough person to consider the option even if it were legit.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I'm not demanding shit my man.  I don't even demand that you follow my methodology.  I'm telling you why -I- couldn't be a christian even if I wanted to.  I'm not a shitty enough person to consider the option even if it were legit.

God's Chosen™ know they're doing "God's Work™" but get hinky if you ask them how they know. "Hearing voices isn't good, even in Hogwarts."

[brewer]

[R-Farmer]

In our society racists are bad - which the god of the Bible definitely is - as is being infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully - all traits of your god.

ok cool.. Now what about those not in this soceity who do not take offense to everything you listed here? Are you a better person just because of when and where you were born?

[R-Farmer]

ok cool..

Thousands of years, no proof. You lose.

im ok with that.

[Anomalocaris]

which makes you a incorrigible loser