Good exists - a Catholic comments

[Angrboda]

I didn't notice I was, but fair enough.

Maybe a natural.outcome of language.

Ask a direct question and I'll try and give the best direct answer I can.

Which definition of free will, compatibilist or libertarian, is meaningful and why? Is that definition determined or not?

[FrustratedFool]

A1) Is LFW meaningful? Depends what is meant by meaningful. In the sense its a word and concept which conveys some content understood by others, it is. In the sense that it feels meaningful emotionally, to some yes others no. In the sense that it would greatly impact how the universe unfolded into the future, yes it would be if true. In the sense that it has some objective meaningfulness whether true or false, I don't think so on its own.

A2) Is CFW meaningful? As A1 above, except that if true it wouldn't affect how how universe unfolded into the future.

B1) Is the definition of LFW determined? If, as I suspect determinism is true, then yes, all definitions are determined.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Hi everyone 
I’ve been busy saving the world from unnecessary apostrophe’s.

You'd do better to be seeking a better education.

If God doesn’t exist, and the world just happened as an accident, or always was an accident, why does anyone care about what I say. You all dismiss it as nonsense. 

It is nonsense in my view. I really don't care if you believe in nonsense, though, just so long as you keep that stupid shit away from me. You'll notice it's not me going to a Catholic forum and pushing my lack of faith on them.

Quite frankly, I see evangelists of your sort as insecure people who seek converts in order to buttress their faith against their doubts.

But to say the burden of proof is on me is cowardly. 

Not at all. Otherwise, you need to accept that my belief in leprechauns is absolutely correct. I mean, you cannot prove they don't exist, and by your own "reasoning" I need not show any evidence to support my claim.

You all admit you don’t know or it’s not true. Or are you keeping it a secret. OK, tell me I’m wrong. But to deny the existence of God and have no answer yourself is not a convincing position. 

I get it -- "I don't know" is a scary thing to say, for some folk. You apparently are one. Me, I find admitting my ignorance liberating and motivating. When I don't know something, I do look into learning about it. That works much better for me than simply chalking it up to statement of faith which I lack anyway.

I’m not sure why this forum exists.

Maybe we have this forum because we like discussing various topics without the overlay of religious bullshit.

I can’t see any evidence of contributors trying to work out how the universe began. That would seem worthwhile. If you are not sure, why be on the forum at all, unless to find out. Abusing me for my modest comments does not seem very constructive. 

Who cares what you think I or anyone else here should be doing? Maybe instead of shitposting on an atheist forum, you should be out in the real world feeding the hungry, shoeing the poor, or tending to the ill like your Christ would want? Put your money where your mouth is, Claude.

Your arrogance doesn't offend me; it's par for the course with evangelistas. But I wonder what your little god would think of it, were he real.

But ignore me and prove to each other how the universe began, whether it was made by God or it’s just and amazing random occurrence. 

Many of us have done a bit of reading about this. If you were truly interested, you'd read up on it more and post less.

God loves you
Barry

[Thumpalumpacus]

I tried to use the quote button, but failed. Have I been sabotaged by the devil?
Cheers Barry
Help……

Pray for an answer.


But for a real solution, press the "reply" button, not the "quote" button.

[Bucky Ball]

I remain amazed that a group of people can live in this amazing universe made by god, and insist someone else has to prove how it happened. You seem a rather intelligent group, albeit rather verbally abusive in some cases, do you enjoy living in blissful ignorance and getting upset if someone questions you?
Ok, I’m saying God created the world. My evidence is the universe.
You can deny my proof. Fair enough. But unless you have some other theory, where does that leave you. Having a club of people who all agree that no one has proved God exists? It would make sense if your mission is to prove or disprove it yourselves.

God bless you
Barry

For centuries, ever since Galileo and Copernicus and countless others who refused your idiotic "I don't know any better" explanation, so I say "Gawd done did it" scientists 
were persecuted by your church for their discoveries, and the RCC has been opposed to science. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmology

Your evidence is not evidence. In fact your use of the universe to prove your god has a name. It's called the "Divine Fallacy". It's also an example of the "god of the gaps fallacy". 
https://effectiviology.com/divine-fallac...omenon%20X.
When the long slow work of science has found an explanation, the two year olds among us, not unlike yourself, will have to stop saying "but why mommy", "but why mommy".
You act like a two year old.

Explanation of the divine fallacy.
The divine fallacy can take various forms, but it generally has a structure similar to the following:

Premise 1: if I don’t know how to explain a certain phenomenon using science, then it must occur as a result of divine intervention.
Premise 2: I don’t know how to explain this phenomenon using science.
Conclusion: this phenomenon must occur as a result of divine intervention.

Your argument is also a great example of two more fallacies.
1. The argument from ignorance fallacy, and
2, The argument from personal incredulity fallacy.

You're making a fool of yourself, Barry my friend. With every post. The FSM loves you, and wants to put his noodley appendages in your pants. 
The FSM will bless you. 
Cheers

[Mister Agenda]

I don't need one.

Just becuse silly little hoomans can't explain something, does not mean it was magic.


A thousand years ago, nobody had any explanation for why volcanoes erupted, or why earthquakes occured, guess what, it was never magic.

Hi
I accept you don’t believe in God. But You admit not being able to explain how the world exists. Fair enough. 
If you have no answers it seems rather unfair to say that belief in God is “bullshit”. 
Cheers Barry

Arguments from ignorance are bullshit, and can only be correct by coincidence. The classic form for an argument from ignorance is that you not knowing the answer to something makes it more likely that my answer is correct. It doesn't. Your answer must stand or fall on its own merits.

[Angrboda]

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[Mister Agenda]

The problem for humankind is that they don’t want to feel responsible to God, despite knowing in their hearts God exists. 
Cheers Barry

Despite understandable perceptions otherwise, 'theist' and 'self-righteous asshole' are not synonyms. You claiming that we know God is real 'in our hearts' is claiming we're liars and implies that you have no intent of discussing our differences in good faith.

I'm as justified in claiming that in your heart you know God isn't really real, and you're only here to try to prop up your shaky faith. You can say anything about someone's motivations if you're not willing to take their word for what they are.

Try showing the minimum respect you expect for yourself.

[FrustratedFool]

What does less in control of my environment mean?

If determinism is true, then belief in determinism doesn't instantiate a state anybdifferent to what would always come to pass. In that sense, it doesn't make me have less control because no one has any control.

*Edit: the post this was a response to has been deleted. No problem.

[Bucky Ball]

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Hi
I accept you don’t believe in God. But You admit not being able to explain how the world exists. Fair enough. 
If you have no answers it seems rather unfair to say that belief in God is “bullshit”. 
Cheers Barry

If YOU get to ask questions, so do we. 
If you claim your god created the universe, why is it he did not reveal the antibiotic penicillin which would have saved millions, if not billions 
of people ? Penicillin was discovered accidentally when Fleming accidentally dropped some in a Petri dish. You gods had nothing to do with it. 
Revealing the drug would have" saved millions of souls who might have learned your "truths" (LOL). 
Not being able to explain this seems rather unfair to say that belief in God is 'bullshit'."
Hope I didn't use any unnecessary apostrophes. But we all know apostraphies are more important than the abuse of children.