Palestine

[FrustratedFool]

It is certain to end.  Its just a matter of how long.  50 years, 500 years, 5000 years etc.  I expect 50-80.

I admire your optimism, but bear in mind that Britain kept a boot on the neck of Ireland for more that 800 years.

Boru

The pace of technological and cultural change is far greater now.

[FrustratedFool]

@WinterHold
What do you think is a preferable realistic solution other than to continue the cycle for another generation?

The admission with the historical truth: "Israel is a colony that belongs to the British Empire".
If that historical truth is admitted, the situation of Palestine would be resolved immediately.

That would solve nothing, is a highly arguable statement, and is highly unrealistic to happen.
Do you have a better, more plausible solution?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I admire your optimism, but bear in mind that Britain kept a boot on the neck of Ireland for more that 800 years.

Boru

The pace of technological and cultural change is far greater now.

True, but not really relevant.

Boru

[WinterHold]

The admission with the historical truth: "Israel is a colony that belongs to the British Empire".
If that historical truth is admitted, the situation of Palestine would be resolved immediately.

That would solve nothing, is a highly arguable statement, and is highly unrealistic to happen.
Do you have a better, more plausible solution?

No. The only solution I see is:

1-admitting the right of Muslims, Christians and Jews to the holy mosque. Preventing any extremist (either Muslim, Jew or Christian to seize the place for their own).

2-freeing Gaza citizens from their concentration camp and pay its citizens war reparations.

3-Making a joint government of Muslims, Jews and Christians to lead the holy land. Their law would be unified just like the U.N.

If Muslims objected, they should be reminded with the truth of Christians and Jews right to worship there, and especially with this verse from the Quran:

Sura 26, The Quran:
https://quran.com/26?startingVerse=183

(181) Give full measure, and cause no loss ˹to others˺.
(182) Weigh with an even balance,
(183) and do not defraud people of their property. Nor go about spreading corruption in the land.

The mosque is not the property of Muslims alone, Jews alone or Christians alone: it's the joint property of all 3.

If Jews objected, they should be reminded with these days, and that concentration camps or brutal force will grow severe hate and repulsion from them. It will be a matter of time before Fascist deeds are eradicated naturally by the natives.

If Christians objected, they should be reminded with the days of the Crusades and how the whole Middle East fought them.

If Muslims objected, they should be reminded that they are going against their own Quran and how brute force led them before to be hated by so many, and led their lands to lose most compassion of everybody.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

That would solve nothing, is a highly arguable statement, and is highly unrealistic to happen.
Do you have a better, more plausible solution?

No. The only solution I see is:

1-admitting the right of Muslims, Christians and Jews to the holy mosque. Preventing any extremist (either Muslim, Jew or Christian to seize the place for their own).

2-freeing Gaza citizens from their concentration camp and pay its citizens war reparations.

3-Making a joint government of Muslims, Jews and Christians to lead the holy land. Their law would be unified just like the U.N.

If Muslims objected, they should be reminded with the truth of Christians and Jews right to worship there, and especially with this verse from the Quran:

Sura 26, The Quran:
https://quran.com/26?startingVerse=183

(181) Give full measure, and cause no loss ˹to others˺.
(182) Weigh with an even balance,
(183) and do not defraud people of their property. Nor go about spreading corruption in the land.

The mosque is not the property of Muslims alone, Jews alone or Christians alone: it's the joint property of all 3.

If Jews objected, they should be reminded with these days, and that concentration camps or brutal force will grow severe hate and repulsion from them. It will be a matter of time before Fascist deeds are eradicated naturally by the natives.

If Christians objected, they should be reminded with the days of the Crusades and how the whole Middle East fought them.

If Muslims objected, they should be reminded that they are going against their own Quran and how brute force led them before to be hated by so many, and led their lands to lose most compassion of everybody.

Good job! You’ve clearly invested a lot of effort in coming up with a plan that hasn’t got a snowball’s chance in hell of ever being implemented, much less succeeding.

Boru

[Brian37]

:The whole story is so simple: a backward empire from the 17th century, invaded a place called Palestine.
The empire was mad; actually it couldn't even last for 300 years in a row. dwarfed when compared to the Roman or ancient Egyptian empires/

The mad British empire got drunk in the lust of creating mini-countries in its domain, whenever it invades a place, it builds a dwarf province to control it by proxy.

Thankfully, that empire fell in the 20th century; with the majority of people forgetting that it even existed.
But it left its proxies and failed mini-colonies for us to deal with.

One of these proxies & leftovers is a so called "Jewish State".
As with all colonies, it became isolated when its mother left, but a new parent inherited the throne from Britain. and became forced to carry the Jewish-British colony. That new sponsor is called the "U.S".

The U.S had to carry so many ex-British colonies like Saudi Arabia too under its wing.

But now, the times are changing.

As a person, I hate imperialist deeds. Israel has the "seal" of the British empire on its skin.
It's alien and out of context. everybody can see that and sense that, this colony started with the British Empire. All attempts of integrating it in the region failed, it will keep failing, and will never succeed.

It's identical to try to integrate a chicken with bats,
Or a lamp with dear.

The war will keep going until Palestine is free. Or until the proxies of the British Empire are exhausted.

Islam was created in the 600s CE. 
Christianity was created in the first century CE.
Hebrews were created in 1900 BCE. 

But I hate to tell you, polytheists occupied Mesopotamia and the Fertile Crescent long before any of those three religions existed. 

I am sick of the "parties of God" beating the shit out of each other over invisible beings none of them can prove exists. 

Having said that, in the context of what happened last week at AT A CONCERT, attended by unarmed peaceful teens, women and children, being RAPED and babies being decapitated, there is no excuse or justification for that. Hamas is not a legit advocacy protest group. They are not an army of a government, they are a terrorist organization. Whatever wrongs you may think Israel has done, and by far they are not perfect, Hamas evil and barbaric, and if you are making excuses for their actions, you need some serious mental help.

[WinterHold]

No. The only solution I see is:

1-admitting the right of Muslims, Christians and Jews to the holy mosque. Preventing any extremist (either Muslim, Jew or Christian to seize the place for their own).

2-freeing Gaza citizens from their concentration camp and pay its citizens war reparations.

3-Making a joint government of Muslims, Jews and Christians to lead the holy land. Their law would be unified just like the U.N.

If Muslims objected, they should be reminded with the truth of Christians and Jews right to worship there, and especially with this verse from the Quran:


The mosque is not the property of Muslims alone, Jews alone or Christians alone: it's the joint property of all 3.

If Jews objected, they should be reminded with these days, and that concentration camps or brutal force will grow severe hate and repulsion from them. It will be a matter of time before Fascist deeds are eradicated naturally by the natives.

If Christians objected, they should be reminded with the days of the Crusades and how the whole Middle East fought them.

If Muslims objected, they should be reminded that they are going against their own Quran and how brute force led them before to be hated by so many, and led their lands to lose most compassion of everybody.

Good job! You’ve clearly invested a lot of effort in coming up with a plan that hasn’t got a snowball’s chance in hell of ever being implemented, much less succeeding.

Boru

The solution above is very easy, basic, and totally fair.
Israel is a fascist state, and the massacre it is waging on Palestinians is just cold, cruel, and sadistic. History will mark these days; and will say that a group of humans claiming to be human beings watched a massacre in front of their eyes and cheered for it instead of condemning it.

[FrustratedFool]

The pace of technological and cultural change is far greater now.

True, but not really relevant.

Boru

I disagree.  But we can only wait and see.

[FrustratedFool]

Good job! You’ve clearly invested a lot of effort in coming up with a plan that hasn’t got a snowball’s chance in hell of ever being implemented, much less succeeding.

Boru

The solution above is very easy, basic, and totally fair.
Israel is a fascist state, and the massacre it is waging on Palestinians is just cold, cruel, and sadistic. History will mark these days; and will say that a group of humans claiming to be human beings watched a massacre in front of their eyes and cheered for it instead of condemning it.

It doesn't matter how basic or easy etc a proposed solution is if it has zero chance of being implemented.  I mean, it would be even easier if all Muslims and Jews just renounced their religions and claims to the land and worked together in a secular state.  But that has no chance of happening within a generation either.

It is becoming more clear that the current cycle of violence is the best possible option, since all other options are either worse or unrealistic.

[The Grand Nudger]

...but he cast the right spell from everyone's favorite grimoire, how could it do anything but succeed?