Palestine

[WinterHold]

The solution above is very easy, basic, and totally fair.
Israel is a fascist state, and the massacre it is waging on Palestinians is just cold, cruel, and sadistic. History will mark these days; and will say that a group of humans claiming to be human beings watched a massacre in front of their eyes and cheered for it instead of condemning it.

It doesn't matter how basic or easy etc a proposed solution is if it has zero chance of being implemented.  I mean, it would be even easier if all Muslims and Jews just renounced their religions and claims to the land and worked together in a secular state.  But that has no chance of happening within a generation either.

It is becoming more clear that the current cycle of violence is the best possible option, since all other options are either worse or unrealistic.

If that solution wasn't implemented, the circle of violence will spread like fire.
Lebanon's Hezbollah already entered the war, Yemen's Houthies threatened with contributing too; and this is the 6th day of the war.

Egypt opened Rafah border crossing despite Israeli threats, too.

The Arabs and Muslims had enough of the apartheid state of Israel. Change is needed, and the world today is not the world of 1948.

Once the situation escalates it will be WW3 before we even know it.

[FrustratedFool]

Maybe, that is a risk.
But again, it may be that such a risk, which I don't think will turn into WW3, is the best possible option.

[arewethereyet]

Maybe, that is a risk.
But again, it may be that such a risk, which I don't think will turn into WW3, is the best possible option.

You aren't yet familiar with Winter.  He has been predicting WWIII for a long time.

I am surprised we haven't ventured into Gog and Magog territory yet.

You get kinda used to it.

[FrustratedFool]

In some weird way thinking that there's a real WW3 coming is an emotional comfort. Not only does it justify almost anything in comparison (for the greater good), and offer some sort of apocalyptic justice for evil,but it removes the difficulty of having to accept that maybe there is no real solution other than to let the cycle of violence continue.

So I see the appeal.

[The Grand Nudger]

The problem from the islamists pov is not war, world war or otherwise - but that they keep losing and being humiliated by the hated jew. The only way to end it, and they're pretty open about this..Winter included, is the elimination of israel. That's it, that's all. No other solution will work because no other solution services their shame.

[WinterHold]

Maybe, that is a risk.
But again, it may be that such a risk, which I don't think will turn into WW3, is the best possible option.

Also nobody thought that the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand would start WW1.
But let's look at the numbers so we get a better perspective:

Muslims population = 2.02 billion
[b]Christian population = 2.38 billion[/b]
Jewish population = 15.7 Million

All three are awaiting an apocalyptic battle in Palestine, starting because of what Muslims call the Aqsa Mosque, what Christians and Jews call the Temple Mount.

Effects happen because of causes; like Domino pieces you just need an event to orchestrate the fall.
I expect that such location is very sensitive to all three religions, and Israel went too far in brutalizing natives, its allies didn't sense how dangerous the situation was from the beginning, traumatizing Gaza children for life and creating an eternal enemy.

[The Grand Nudger]

You nutters always think like this. It's too much to accept that you've shit your own bed and the end may only be coming for you. No, you have to fantasize about the end coming for everyone else as well. Just fucking miserable. The kind of people who can't leave a party without calling the cops.

[FrustratedFool]

@WinterHold

So what is the realistic alternative to running that risk?
So far, all we have are unrealistic options.

[WinterHold]

Maybe, that is a risk.
But again, it may be that such a risk, which I don't think will turn into WW3, is the best possible option.

You aren't yet familiar with Winter.  He has been predicting WWIII for a long time.

I am surprised we haven't ventured into Gog and Magog territory yet.

You get kinda used to it.

I didn't predict a thing; actually the whole story is mentioned in the Quran.
According to my faith, the holy Aqsa mosque will return to the natives, after Jewish populations cease it:

Sura 17, The Quran:
https://quran.com/17?startingVerse=5

(4) And We warned the Children of Israel in the Scripture, “You will certainly cause corruption in the land twice, and you will become extremely arrogant.

(5) When the first of the two warnings would come to pass, We would send against you some of Our servants of great might, who would ravage your homes. This would be a warning fulfilled.

(6) Then ˹after your repentance˺ We would give you the upper hand over them and aid you with wealth and offspring, causing you to outnumber them.

(7) If you act rightly, it is for your own good, but if you do wrong, it is to your own loss. “And when the second warning would come to pass, your enemies would ˹be left to˺ totally disgrace you and enter that place of worship as they entered it the first time, and utterly destroy whatever would fall into their hands.

I didn't predict a thing.
These verses are read loudly from America to Saudi Arabia, from Egypt  to Lebanon.

We Muslims learn it in schools, family traditions, everybody know it, everybody heard of it.
Ask any Muslim about Israel, they'll tell you: "Oh..these guys..my holy book said they will rise so high, but will kill and butcher then fight Muslims then Muslims emerge victorious".

I didn't predict a thing. It's all in the Quran and 2 Billion people already believe in it.

The doubt though is about my prediction about Russia and China being Gog Magog.

[The Grand Nudger]

It's a crystal ball. The details of the I/P conflict matter as much as the details of us-israeli relations to Winter. He just thinks it proves his book is magic. If he thought some terrible thing had to happen to prove his book was magic - then that's the right and proper thing to happen. End of.