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RE: Good exists - a Catholic comments
October 29, 2023 at 3:18 pm
(October 29, 2023 at 1:41 pm)Angrboda Wrote: (October 29, 2023 at 1:26 pm)Ahriman Wrote: A giraffe being born is not just "popping into existence"
No, but unless you've observed how every giraffe came into existence, then what are you basing your claim that it hasn't happened on?
Giraffes come into this world a certain way. We know this because we have observed giraffes coming into this world in that certain way. We know they do not pop into existence out of nowhere. We do not need to have observed the birth of every giraffe to know all of this.
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October 29, 2023 at 3:21 pm
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(October 29, 2023 at 3:18 pm)Ahriman Wrote: (October 29, 2023 at 1:41 pm)Angrboda Wrote: No, but unless you've observed how every giraffe came into existence, then what are you basing your claim that it hasn't happened on?
Giraffes come into this world a certain way. We know this because we have observed giraffes coming into this world in that certain way. We know they do not pop into existence out of nowhere. We do not need to have observed the birth of every giraffe to know all of this.
You said "it's never happened".
Now we see that this is your assumption. A reasonable one, to be sure.
What's revealing is your refusal to admit that this is your assumption. It speaks to your intellectual integrity, such as it is.
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RE: Good exists - a Catholic comments
October 29, 2023 at 3:23 pm
(October 29, 2023 at 3:18 pm)Ahriman Wrote: (October 29, 2023 at 1:41 pm)Angrboda Wrote: No, but unless you've observed how every giraffe came into existence, then what are you basing your claim that it hasn't happened on?
Giraffes come into this world a certain way. We know this because we have observed giraffes coming into this world in that certain way. We know they do not pop into existence out of nowhere. We do not need to have observed the birth of every giraffe to know all of this.
That’s called The Black Swan fallacy. Simply because you’ve never seen a giraffe pop into existence doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened.
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October 29, 2023 at 3:49 pm
(October 29, 2023 at 3:23 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (October 29, 2023 at 3:18 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Giraffes come into this world a certain way. We know this because we have observed giraffes coming into this world in that certain way. We know they do not pop into existence out of nowhere. We do not need to have observed the birth of every giraffe to know all of this.
That’s called The Black Swan fallacy. Simply because you’ve never seen a giraffe pop into existence doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened.
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October 29, 2023 at 4:06 pm
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(October 29, 2023 at 3:49 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: (October 29, 2023 at 3:23 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: That’s called The Black Swan fallacy. Simply because you’ve never seen a giraffe pop into existence doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened.
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RE: Good exists - a Catholic comments
October 29, 2023 at 4:16 pm
(October 29, 2023 at 3:18 pm)Ahriman Wrote: We know this because we have observed giraffes coming into this world in that certain way. We know they do not pop into existence out of nowhere. We do not need to have observed the birth of every giraffe to know all of this.
Proof by assertion is droll and uninteresting. That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. You have presented nothing.
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October 29, 2023 at 4:56 pm
(October 29, 2023 at 3:21 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (October 29, 2023 at 3:18 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Giraffes come into this world a certain way. We know this because we have observed giraffes coming into this world in that certain way. We know they do not pop into existence out of nowhere. We do not need to have observed the birth of every giraffe to know all of this.
You said "it's never happened".
Now we see that this is your assumption. A reasonable one, to be sure.
What's revealing is your refusal to admit that this is your assumption. It speaks to your intellectual integrity, such as it is.
Yeah, it's an assumption, although it is an assumption made by observing reality. The available evidence suggests giraffes don't come from nowhere. So it's an informed assumption.
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October 29, 2023 at 5:02 pm
(October 29, 2023 at 4:56 pm)Ahriman Wrote: (October 29, 2023 at 3:21 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: You said "it's never happened".
Now we see that this is your assumption. A reasonable one, to be sure.
What's revealing is your refusal to admit that this is your assumption. It speaks to your intellectual integrity, such as it is.
Yeah, it's an assumption, although it is an assumption made by observing reality. The available evidence suggests giraffes don't come from nowhere. So it's an informed assumption.
Well, if God created giraffes, and God exists outside of space and time, then God is nowhere.
Therefore, giraffes come from nowhere.
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RE: Good exists - a Catholic comments
October 29, 2023 at 5:47 pm
(October 29, 2023 at 3:21 pm)Ahriman Wrote: [quote pid='2176644' dateline='1698607093']
Giraffes come into this world a certain way. We know this because we have observed giraffes coming into this world in that certain way. We know they do not pop into existence out of nowhere. We do not need to have observed the birth of every giraffe to know all of this.
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But that's your fundamental error.
The birth of a giraffe (on the macro level), is in no way similar to anything on either the "universal" level or the quantum level.
It's all the fallacy of the false analogy.
Please go get an education.
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RE: Good exists - a Catholic comments
October 29, 2023 at 6:48 pm
(October 29, 2023 at 4:56 pm)Ahriman Wrote: (October 29, 2023 at 3:21 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: You said "it's never happened".
Now we see that this is your assumption. A reasonable one, to be sure.
What's revealing is your refusal to admit that this is your assumption. It speaks to your intellectual integrity, such as it is.
Yeah, it's an assumption, although it is an assumption made by observing reality. The available evidence suggests giraffes don't come from nowhere. So it's an informed assumption.
You don't appear to know what an assumption is.
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