The Historical Jesus

[h311inac311]

You're right Fake Messiah because I'm not telling women what to wear or what job to choose. I'm in favor of freedom and letting women choose whichever career they want.

What manuscript tradition allowed for the creation of Codex Sciaticus in 375 A.D. ?

Boru, if you read Proverbs 31 and all you walked away with was, "this woman is a domestic servant" then it makes your reading of every single other passage of scripture highly suspect. If we replaced the word she with he then what we would have is a man who is successful in real estate, as well as sewing and one who is physically strong. Also we would have someone who is a good partner to his wife whom he is pleased to support with all of his business ventures. Are women supposed to hate the idea of starting a profitable business to support their husband? Or allow the family to be raised in a wealthy home? Please go on Boru, your textual analysis is fascinating.

Yes I've heard of intersex people, for every rule there is almost always an exception. Does the exception destroy the rule?
Would if a person is born with one leg missing? Does this mean that we can't categorize humans as Bi-pedal? Does the category cease to exist because we can find an exception?

The reason I am focused on biology is because I'm trying to establish the basic, undeniable facts, regarding men and women. And because the secular world is trying to destroy these two categories (much to the detriment of both men and women) I felt I had to start with the bed-rock differences between men and women. Beyond that we have the big 5 personality traits such as openess, concientiousness, neuroticism, extraversion and agreeableness. We have learned that women tend to be higher (on average) in agreeableness, openess as well as neuroticism.

I know that the differences between men and women often aren't as big as men think they are but what psychological literature are you guys reading which suggests that there are no differences?

Also I was raised in a 2 parent household so I find that makes it harder for me to buy into your guys narrative.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Boru, if you read Proverbs 31 and all you walked away with was, "this woman is a domestic servant" then it makes your reading of every single other passage of scripture highly suspect. If we replaced the word she with he then what we would have is a man who is successful in real estate, as well as sewing and one who is physically strong. Also we would have someone who is a good partner to his wife whom he is pleased to support with all of his business ventures. Are women supposed to hate the idea of starting a profitable business to support their husband? Or allow the family to be raised in a wealthy home? Please go on Boru, your textual analysis is fascinating.

Yeah, the thing is that, for a woman to be respected, she has to work like a dray horse from before daylight til after dark. Farming, cooking, sewing, weaving, spinning, dealing with merchants and tradespeople, and for what? So her husband can be respected when he sits on his arse with the elders.

Also, you might want to look up the term ‘textual analysis’, because this isn’t that.

Boru

[arewethereyet]

Boru, if you read Proverbs 31 and all you walked away with was, "this woman is a domestic servant" then it makes your reading of every single other passage of scripture highly suspect. If we replaced the word she with he then what we would have is a man who is successful in real estate, as well as sewing and one who is physically strong. Also we would have someone who is a good partner to his wife whom he is pleased to support with all of his business ventures. Are women supposed to hate the idea of starting a profitable business to support their husband? Or allow the family to be raised in a wealthy home? Please go on Boru, your textual analysis is fascinating.

Yeah, the thing is that, for a woman to be respected, she has to work like a dray horse from before daylight til after dark. Farming, cooking, sewing, weaving, spinning, dealing with merchants and tradespeople, and for what? So her husband can be respected when he sits on his arse with the elders.

Also, you might want to look up the term ‘textual analysis’, because this isn’t that.

Boru

You forgot acting as a brood mare.

[Fake Messiah]

You're right Fake Messiah because I'm not telling women what to wear or what job to choose. I'm in favor of freedom and letting women choose whichever career they want.

You are just running in circles or, in internet slang, trolling. At one point you are saying that you want equality for women and men and that biology plays no part, but then you claim how there is big difference between men and women in biology - but if you say that it doesn't matter you are again saying nothing. You are just luring people into pointless conversations where they don't know what they are talking about.

Needless to say that any conversation with you is pointless, so I don't plan to waste my time on you.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

@h311inac311

4 hours ago

You're right Fake Messiah because I'm not telling women what to wear or what job to choose. I'm in favor of freedom and letting women choose whichever career they want.

 
You steaming great hypocrite.

Boru

[brewer]

@h311inac311 Did you speack at a recent catholic graduation?

[Pat Mustard]

<Snipping the bullshit>

Any chance of you making a response to the fact that Mark originally didn't have a resurrection? Or are you going to ignore difficult facts about your "immutable" holy book?

[Ferrocyanide]

"I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the father except through me." I find this to be the fundamental phrase that I would come back to when answering this question. Jesus is the correct way to live life, self sacrificing, telling the Truth regardless of who it offends, as well as showing a genuine Love for those who are outcasts and down-trodden (Lazarus). Beyond this we have the implication that in order to get closer to God the father we must first accept his suffering son. We are supposed to become people who are willing to make sacrifices for what is Good True and Beautiful. "When I was hungry did you feed me?"

Telling the truth can have some value, specially if you are talking about a relationship or maybe in a professional setting. So, I can see value in pursuing “truth” and give good info.
I can see value in a society that helps out one another.

The part that I don’t understand is that why is Jesus the son of god? If he is, then why did he allow himself to get killed?

closer to God the father we must first accept his suffering son.

Why aren’t you already with the jewish god? Why did you decide to come to Earth instead of being with the jewish god?

As far as the male female stuff is concerned. I like to simplify it with the metaphor that girls are like cats and guys are like dogs. On the surface both animals are very similar, they are both 4 legged beasts after all. But the main differences come from their behavior. Dogs are more obvious in how they behave. If they like you then they will walk right up to you and lick your hand. When they want to play they get excited and hand you their favorite toy for you to throw.

Cats, on the other hand, are not so obvious. If they like you they may want to rub their head against your leg, but they might also get really shy and not want to be near you.

That has to do with how their brain works, how they evaluate risk, etc.

For humans, I do think there are differences between male and female brains.
I think that it is possible for a human to be defective. Missing parts, such as a missing arm, being born without legs, being born as attached to your twin are obvious examples of defects.
There are all sorts of mental illnesses. Some are more sever than others.

So, I don’t find it unusual that seem men are attracted to men, some are attracted to both sexes.
Some men are probably born with a female brain and want to convert. Since the medical technology and know how is available now, why not allow them to get a sex change?

I wear glasses. I never see christians protesting to shut down optometrist stores, shutdown lens makers, shutdown contact makers.

The primitive humans that wrote the Bible did not understand or care for homosexuals. They simply decided to hate them and they claim to have some special batphone to the gods, so they claim they have authority of somekind. They use their authority to convince people to kill the people they hate.
Would you stone a homosexual, bisexual transgender person to death?

That being said my main point is that the transgressive left has been moving so far in favor of transgenderism that now it seems they want pre-pubesent children to be able to get sex change operations. Would you agree with this? Should an 11 year old be legally allowed to get castrated? Should a surgeon be permitted to cut off a young boy's member and replace it with a non-functioning gash?

I hear this sort of thing quite often.
Where does this info come from? Was it on the news?
I have heard of one case where, I think it was a 15 y old received the operation and later in life, she/he sued the doctor. I think it was a case of professional misconduct.

To answer your question, I think 11 y old is too young. He should wait until maybe age 20.

[Belacqua]

For humans, I do think there are differences between male and female brains.

This got me wondering, so I did some lazy Googling. One article, from WebMD, points out brain differences which may typically be associated with men or with women. But they also emphasize that there is a lot of variety. Very few brains show exclusively one sex or the other. 

https://www.webmd.com/brain/features/how...ins-differ

I don't know enough to say how reliable the article is.

But this points to something we have to be very careful about when discussing gender. It is now said that gender is not determined by anatomy. Someone who has all the anatomy that people used to say was determinative of maleness (penis, beard, etc.) are not determinative of gender. Someone with the appearance which was traditionally associated with maleness may in fact be female. 

The brain is also anatomy. It's a physical object, with structures, identifiable parts, etc. Even if it turned out that there are some elements of the brain which are 100% correlated with the kind of anatomy we used to associate with maleness, a person with those brain elements might not be male. This is the consequence of the discovery that sex and gender are not the same. Today a doctor could examine a patient's anatomy in detail and conclude with certainty that the person has the kind of anatomy we used to associate with maleness. But that person could still say, no, my true gender is female, and we would accept that. The physical examination cannot discover gender. Likewise, if brains are gendered, then a person with a brain of the type traditionally associated with maleness could still say that she is female, and we would accept that, because gender and sex are different. 

So gender is no longer something that can be identified on a brain scan, through anatomical investigation, or any other empirical objective method. Gender is determined by the individual's identifying with that gender, and not anything physical. 

There could be research done on how brain structures associate with lifestyle choices. For example, it might work out that people with certain brain traits are more likely to enjoy violent sports, more likely to present themselves as tough, more likely to prefer pickup trucks and motorcycles. But there can be people who have all of these traits and still identify as female. So apparently neither anatomy nor preferences and habits -- of the type which people used to associate with one gender or the other -- can be called determinative any more. 

This leads to some interesting issues, I think.

First, if a person has a body of the type which was traditionally considered a male body, but this person is in fact of the female gender, then it means that in fact females can have that kind of body. A female can have a penis, a beard, all of those things. However, if such a person wants surgery to get the appearance which was traditionally associated with femaleness, that seems to indicate that one kind of body is in fact more female. She's already really truly female, but she wants to look "like a female." But females, we now know, don't look any particular way.

In other words, if a person who looks like Clint Eastwood is of the female gender, then she's a female. She's a female no matter what her body looks like. So the idea of getting surgery to "look female" is a kind of paradox -- she's already female. The only people who don't accept that by looking like Clint Eastwood she's not really female are old fashioned people who don't yet know the difference between sex and gender. 

Second, this throws a monkey wrench into a belief which used to be common among atheists. We used to say that the mind is what the brain does. That there is no mind independent of body. That mind is not in fact some separate thing, trapped in the physical dross of a body. Yet the idea that a person can have a mind of one gender and a body of the other contradicts this. If there are truly brain (anatomical) differences between male and female brains, and the mind arises from what the brain does, then the physical anatomy of the brain would inevitably determine what kind of mind occurs. If there are differences in male and female anatomy, and yet this does not affect one's gender, then the mind and the body are in some way separate. 

We're getting close here to a kind of Cartesian mind/body dualism, in which mind and body are separate substances, which may be imperfectly mixed. In fact the whole argument sounds very Gnostic -- the idea that mind is not an emergent property of physical structures, but some other thing. Such an idea could explain how the mental (gender) could be unaligned with the physical body.

[The Grand Nudger]

Or..maybe, rather than cartesian dualism, we could accept that gender is not biological, lol. It's not super weird that the christian issue of the day is social conformity. Always has been, one way or another. It is super weird that this is somehow a problem for atheism...as if genders are gods, and that the resolution is some form of dualism, as if genders are ghosts.