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That Trans Thread
RE: That Trans Thread
(June 20, 2025 at 9:46 am)arewethereyet Wrote:
(June 20, 2025 at 9:44 am)Charlie Boy Wrote: Oooh, how refreshingly candid. I quite understand—dancing does require rhythm, coordination, and, alas, a willingness to follow the steps.

Still, I appreciate your brief appearance on the floor. Not all are suited to the tempo of reasoned debate, and there’s no shame in bowing out when the music proves too intricate.

Do take care. The spectators, I’m sure, enjoyed the interlude. Perhaps tree climbing will provide you with the stimulation you seek.

Unfortunately, snarkiness is not yet against the rules.  Mores the pity...I'm in the mood to clip some wings...and have the ability to do it.

The wing-clipper arrives—threat implied, wit absent. One would expect a declaration of such potency to be accompanied by something a touch more... formidable?

Still, it’s charming that you believe you’re in a position to intimidate. An emotional twitch dressed up as authority is, at best, a theatrical flourish—at worst, a confession of powerlessness.

But do proceed. If nothing else, it’s always endearing to see someone confuse bluntness for brilliance.

Oh, and let's stick within the rules. I've read them all and I know them inside out. Ready when you are.
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RE: That Trans Thread
(June 20, 2025 at 9:49 am)Charlie Boy Wrote:
(June 20, 2025 at 9:46 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Unfortunately, snarkiness is not yet against the rules.  Mores the pity...I'm in the mood to clip some wings...and have the ability to do it.

The wing-clipper arrives—threat implied, wit absent. One would expect a declaration of such potency to be accompanied by something a touch more... formidable?

Still, it’s charming that you believe you’re in a position to intimidate. An emotional twitch dressed up as authority is, at best, a theatrical flourish—at worst, a confession of powerlessness.

But do proceed. If nothing else, it’s always endearing to see someone confuse bluntness for brilliance.

Oh, and let's stick within the rules. I've read them all and I know them inside out. Ready when you are.
And yet you broke one of the rules a couple posts ago.

Since you claim to have knowingly broken forum rules...I'll move forward...
I'm your huckleberry.
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RE: That Trans Thread
(June 20, 2025 at 9:40 am)Charlie Boy Wrote: Professionals penalised for expressing caution : Take the case of Dr Jillian Spencer, a Queensland psychiatrist suspended after voicing concerns that underlying issues like autism or anxiety were being overlooked in the rush to affirm gender identity 

Dr. Spencer was stood down after patient complaints that she was misgendering patients.

https://www.transgendermap.com/issues/ps...n-spencer/
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RE: That Trans Thread
(June 20, 2025 at 9:51 am)arewethereyet Wrote:
(June 20, 2025 at 9:49 am)Charlie Boy Wrote: The wing-clipper arrives—threat implied, wit absent. One would expect a declaration of such potency to be accompanied by something a touch more... formidable?

Still, it’s charming that you believe you’re in a position to intimidate. An emotional twitch dressed up as authority is, at best, a theatrical flourish—at worst, a confession of powerlessness.

But do proceed. If nothing else, it’s always endearing to see someone confuse bluntness for brilliance.

Oh, and let's stick within the rules. I've read them all and I know them inside out. Ready when you are.
And yet you broke one of the rules a couple posts ago.

Since you claim to have knowingly broken forum rules...I'll move forward...
One admires the gracefulness of such an expedient exit. I wish you the best in your future endeavours...as you "move forward".
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RE: That Trans Thread
(June 20, 2025 at 10:04 am)Charlie Boy Wrote:
(June 20, 2025 at 9:51 am)arewethereyet Wrote: And yet you broke one of the rules a couple posts ago.

Since you claim to have knowingly broken forum rules...I'll move forward...
One admires the gracefulness of such an expedient exit. I wish you the best in your future endeavours...as you "move forward".

Oh, Chucky, I haven't gone anywhere.
I'm your huckleberry.
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RE: That Trans Thread
(June 20, 2025 at 10:05 am)arewethereyet Wrote:
(June 20, 2025 at 10:04 am)Charlie Boy Wrote: One admires the gracefulness of such an expedient exit. I wish you the best in your future endeavours...as you "move forward".

Oh, Chucky, I haven't gone anywhere.

That's good to hear, Toots. I was worried sick.
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RE: That Trans Thread
(June 20, 2025 at 9:46 am)Charlie Boy Wrote:
(June 20, 2025 at 9:45 am)Alan V Wrote: Troll.

Hmmm, monosyllabic grunts. Interesting debating tactic. Do let me know how that works out for you.

In this post, I pointed out that the legal discussions around the trans issue are still ongoing, that trans people were unlikely to be the threat you imagine, and that other issues, like climate change, are much more threatening and should therefore be given priority.  That suggests that conservatives, including you, are using cultural war issues to divert attention from our real problems.

You did not respond to that post.  However you did respond to the one above, which to me proves conclusively that you are indeed a troll.
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RE: That Trans Thread
(June 20, 2025 at 7:38 am)Charlie Boy Wrote:
(June 20, 2025 at 5:04 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: How can anyone be so stupid as to claim that allowing people to freely identify their gender imposes rules and restrictions on them? It's literally quite the opposite.

Seriously, you are either an idiot or a troll.

The concern is that others are now obliged—by policy, law, or social pressure—to participate in those identifications regardless of their own reasoned beliefs. 
Cite one of those laws for me please, also a few of these "reasoned beliefs", that you think is a barrier to common civility and not deliberately insulting people. 

Quote:Misgendering, even inadvertently, can cost someone their job. 
I am dubious, can you cite any such employment laws for me? 
Quote:Children are being transitioned without full psychological assessment, while teachers and parents are sometimes legally or professionally penalised for raising doubts or suggesting caution.
Again I am dubious, what does "being transitioned" entail in this claim exactly? Though of course even were there evidenced examples, this seems to have no relevance to granting transgender rights that I can see. 
Quote:Freedom to identify oneself is one thing. Compelled affirmation by others, under threat of sanction, is quite another. 

Well we already do this, anti-Semitic or racist remarks are sanctioned in various ways, as are openly sexist epithets, or hate speech against gay people for example, why do want to treat transgender people differently?  
Quote:expressing biological facts is rebranded as “hate speech,” 

That is another dubious assertion, since the biological sex at birth, must differ from gender identity or there would be nothing to discuss, it's more likely that people who deliberately use someone's biological sex at birth, to persecute someone whose psychological gender differs from this, is labelled hate speech. Again why would one do this, what would one hope to gain, why do you even care? 
Quote:So, yes—gender self-identification may feel like liberation to some. But for many others, it arrives packaged with expectations, enforcement, and penalties. 
Like those poor racists who can no longer use openly racist words and expressions, or homophobic bigots, who can no longer use their religious beliefs to persecute and insult gay people, yes it must be torture for you to be told you can't indulge your prejudice with impunity.   Consoling
Quote:One person’s freedom cannot hinge on another’s compelled agreement.
What a spectacularly stupid claim, we pass laws that do this all the time, and always have. 
Quote:Would you care to revisit your claim with that in mind—or would you prefer to continue debating shadows of your own invention?

That is a massive irony overload, as you seem to be touting the usual straw man claims, while bleating that there is now yet another group of people who you are no longer free to openly indulge in bigotry and prejudice against, poor poor you...
I can only suggest you grow a pair, and accept that espousing hatred and bigotry is not a right, well not in any decent society anyway.
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RE: That Trans Thread
(June 20, 2025 at 10:35 am)Sheldon Wrote:
(June 20, 2025 at 7:38 am)Charlie Boy Wrote: The concern is that others are now obliged—by policy, law, or social pressure—to participate in those identifications regardless of their own reasoned beliefs. 
Cite one of those laws for me please, also a few of these "reasoned beliefs", that you think is a barrier to common civility and not deliberately insulting people. 

Quote:Misgendering, even inadvertently, can cost someone their job. 
I am dubious, can you cite any such employment laws for me? 
Quote:Children are being transitioned without full psychological assessment, while teachers and parents are sometimes legally or professionally penalised for raising doubts or suggesting caution.
Again I am dubious, what does "being transitioned" entail in this claim exactly? Though of course even were there evidenced examples, this seems to have no relevance to granting transgender rights that I can see. 
Quote:Freedom to identify oneself is one thing. Compelled affirmation by others, under threat of sanction, is quite another. 

Well we already do this, anti-Semitic or racist remarks are sanctioned in various ways, as are openly sexist epithets, or hate speech against gay people for example, why do want to treat transgender people differently?  
Quote:expressing biological facts is rebranded as “hate speech,” 

That is another dubious assertion, since the biological sex at birth, must differ from gender identity or there would be nothing to discuss, it's more likely that people who deliberately use someone's biological sex at birth, to persecute someone whose psychological gender differs from this, is labelled hate speech. Again why would one do this, what would one hope to gain, why do you even care? 
Quote:So, yes—gender self-identification may feel like liberation to some. But for many others, it arrives packaged with expectations, enforcement, and penalties. 
Like those poor racists who can no longer use openly racist words and expressions, or homophobic bigots, who can no longer use their religious beliefs to persecute and insult gay people, yes it must be torture for you to be told you can't indulge your prejudice with impunity.   Consoling
Quote:One person’s freedom cannot hinge on another’s compelled agreement.
What a spectacularly stupid claim, we pass laws that do this all the time, and always have. 
Quote:Would you care to revisit your claim with that in mind—or would you prefer to continue debating shadows of your own invention?

That is a massive irony overload, as you seem to be touting the usual straw man claims, while bleating that there is now yet another group of people who you are no longer free to openly indulge in bigotry and prejudice against, poor poor you...
I can only suggest you grow a pair, and accept that espousing hatred and bigotry is not a right, well not in any decent society anyway.

Sheldon, you’ve clearly arrived with gusto—but allow me to demonstrate why your confidence is rather... premature. Let’s unpack your “dubious” assertions with real-world evidence, shall we?

“Minimal psychological assessment? Provide laws and examples.”

The Cass Review—commissioned by NHS England—found the evidence for puberty blockers and social transition to be “poor” or “low quality”, lacking long-term follow-up, and cautioned that puberty blockers should no longer be routinely offered outside clinical trials

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One judge in the UK’s Re Devin case explicitly blocked puberty blockers for a 12-year-old, citing insufficient clinical consensus and irreversible risks

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“Employment law for misgendering?…”

In Lister v New College Swindon, maths teacher Kevin Lister was fired and lost an Employment Tribunal for refusing to use a trans pupil’s chosen name/pronouns—legally upheld as reasonable action in response to his refusal

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Another case saw a teacher disciplined and later reinstated after challenging aggressive pronoun policies—real-world consequences for refusing compelled affirmation

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“Irrelevance to rights?”

The Cass review isn’t hand-waving—it has already halted NHS prescriptions of puberty blockers outside clinical trials, spurred government action to regulate private clinics, and closed the Tavistock clinic amid policy reform

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This is not mere “identity politics”—it’s tangible policy and legal change.

In summary, the evidence is real: weakening clinical support, legal penalties, employment consequences.

You may cry “bigotry!” every time these realities are named—but that’s not discourse—it’s a shell game, shifting attention away from substance.

So yes, I’ve provided citations—links to actual tribunals and reviews. And yes, I have thoroughly dismantled your straw-man argument.
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RE: That Trans Thread
(June 20, 2025 at 7:34 am)Charlie Boy Wrote:
(June 20, 2025 at 4:41 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: Can you show any evidence of this happening? Like, people specifically insisting that something as trivial as liking dolls over trucks is enough of a reason to throw a kid’s gender into question?

Because it seems like you read Johnny The Walrus and spent enough time hitting your head on the toilet that you actually thought “Yeah, that’s totally a reasonable reflection of reality.”

And, seriously, if I wanted to make a cinematic reference just to impress, is your cultural database so bereft that you think one of Kevin Smith’s worse films would count as impressive?

Quote:Regarding the claim that “liking dolls over trucks” is sometimes treated as sufficient cause for questioning a child’s gender, one might direct you to a veritable library of clinical guidelines, activist literature, and media reports.
When will that be starting? Only bare claims are not that impressive. 
Quote:For instance, the widely referenced Gender Affirmative Model endorsed by organizations such as the American Psychological Association encourages affirmation of a child’s expressed gender identity with minimal exploration, often based on behaviors or preferences that diverge from traditional gender norms.
Oh the horror, you mean you no longer get to persecute children who might be suffering gender dysphoria, you poor poor lamb, tell me more about that makes you feel, use dolls if it's too painful for you to verbalise. 

Quote:The now infamous “gender clinics” routinely assess children exhibiting gender nonconforming behavior—doll preference included—sometimes leading to social transition or medical interventions.
I only ever seem to hear about these from people peddling hate speech against transgenderism, but of course even were this true, it doesn't suggest we shouldn't grant all people the same rights and protections. 

Quote:A particularly salient example is the “Ashley Treatment” controversy and the debates surrounding early social transition, where parental and professional interventions follow perceived gender nonconformity rather than any intrinsic dysphoria. The BBC’s “Transgender Kids” documentary further illustrates the phenomenon.
What exactly are you objecting to here, only I watched that programme, and from memory don't recall being appalled at much I saw? Of course even mistakes are being made, we should endeavour to protect people's rights and wellbeing first and foremost. 

Quote:As for Johnny the Walrus—a satirical parable, yes—but satire often targets a recognizable reality to provoke thought. 
"The story allegorically compares being transgender and non-binary to pretending to be a walrus through the story of a child named Johnny."

In the same way the Nazis used cartoons to stereotype and demonise certain demographics, yes it has a long tradition among racists and bigots. I shan't waste everyone's time with the thoughts it has provoked in me, hater gonna hate seems to sum it up. 

Quote:Shall we now proceed with civility and evidence, or is another performance imminent?
Ironic how people peddling hate and bigotry always profess hurt feelings, when others object, you're a fragile lot it seems. What did you want evidence for exactly, another straw man you've created to gaslight transgenderism?
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