Soccer and Islam

[Anomalocaris]

Have to agree with mehmet here. Hooligans come in all shapes, sizes, and religions. Stuff like this happens in every country.

Hooligans may come in all religions, but some religion are more overt in promoting hooliganism in the name of piety.

The hooliganism that came in response to the Danish cartoons is one example.

[Minimalist]

And I'm still very unsure how hooliganism relates to religion.

Then you aren't paying attention. Consult Nigeria/Israel/Indonesia for recent examples.

[Napoléon]

Linking this event directly to Islam is pretty stupid in my opinion. Football riots have happened all over the world.

[Minimalist]

Next time there is a soccer riot in Alabama I'll blame xtians. Will that make you feel better?

[Napoléon]

Go for it. I'm guessing you'd blame Christianity for when football hooliganism was present in the UK years ago?

Or maybe this example is down to religion too? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Lima_football_riot

[downbeatplumb]

I'm still unsure how it's related to Islam.
Still, I'd expect such a stampede in England, where football hooliganism seems to be more prevailant, and of course, has a worldwide reputation.

Thats was the seventies/early eighties.
Football is much more sedate now after the introc=duction of all seater stadiums and sky rocket prices for a game.
If you pay £36 to see a game you are gonna watch it.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Have to agree with mehmet here. Hooligans come in all shapes, sizes, and religions. Stuff like this happens in every country.

Hooligans may come in all religions, but some religion are more overt in promoting hooliganism in the name of piety.

The hooliganism that came in response to the Danish cartoons is one example.

That certainly is another matter.
But we're talking football here.

Expect a stampede in England, can you be serious? When since the late 80's and early 90's have we had problems? Try closer to home Mehmet.

Not a stampede, maybe, but I could expect some sort of an outrage.
But again, you can never know, so I surely wouldn't be sure.
Also, I wouldn't expect riots that go for such a long time like those in Britain in Turkey...Most people wouldn't stand for such a thing.

Football hooliganism has died in the UK, of course some still do it, I know a couple of hoolies, but they say it's died. Try another country like Italy, Greece, Turkey or Holland.

Well, seeing that so many movies were made that deal with the explicite subject of hooliganism in UK, I could certainly say that it made a name for itself. But of course, it could be in decline right now, good for you. But it did won you some worldwide fame for it, did it not?

But I do agree that it happens anywhere, but your stereotype of England is laughable given the reputation of Turkish fans, which is more correct to this era.

Sorry, but why do you try to change the subject? I'm not trying to attack your country, so why going on counteroffensive?
I could tell you how hooliganism manifests itself in Turkey for sure, I was amongst the cheerleaders of the fanclub of Göztepe in Izmir, when I was still a hot-blooded youngster several years ago, and god knows how many knives, flares, cleavers I carried past the main stadium gate with my position as a cheerleader, and used them in fights that resulted in with our main rivals, Karşıyaka 35.5...Hooliganism manifests itself as harsh as it does in England.
However, I simply used England as a non-moslem example where football-related incidents occur.

Then you aren't paying attention. Consult Nigeria/Israel/Indonesia for recent examples.

Then please explain how these constitute examples to hooliganism and football related incidents.

[Doubting Thomas]

American football is a religion in Texas.

[kılıç_mehmet]

And we were screaming, "Göz Göz Göztepe" and they were screaming "Gözün çıksın Göztepe" as a pun. But no one really screamed "Allahu Ekber" not the least in Izmir where I'd never expect it to be uttered outside of mosques.

[Napoléon]

And we were screaming, "Göz Göz Göztepe" and they were screaming "Gözün çıksın Göztepe" as a pun. But no one really screamed "Allahu Ekber" not the least in Izmir where I'd never expect it to be uttered outside of mosques.

Exactly. It's not a muslim driven event which happened here, it's a football driven one.