Tips on union busting

[reverendjeremiah]

Tip #234 - "Use the democratic process to ensure your employess can not use a democratic process"

Imagine, if you would, that a new rule for presidential elections was encated. This rule declared that "a majority of an entire nation must approve the next president." The election comes and goes, and once the ballots where counted the results were this:

22% of the population voted democrat
23% of the population voted republican
3% of the population voted third party
52% of the population did not vote.

In the old system, a republican president would be elected to office of President (for popular vote, of course). With the new voting system enacted, the results are much, MUCH more different. The results under the new voting system would be "no new president". This doesnt mean that the current president gets to stay in office. No. This means that NOBODY will be president for the next 4 years, as the new rules for voting require that a non-vote is equal to a vote of "NO" to the entire existence of the system.

THIS is the system that airlines have been under for the last 75 years.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/05/1...4320100517

The previous rule, which dated back 75 years, required a majority of an entire work group to approve unionization, effectively counting those who don't vote as 'no' votes.

[Minimalist]

And you wonder why I despise republicunts.

[Tiberius]

Or implement a voting system like AV (Alternative Vote) and always include a "None of the above" option.

Also, I don't care about the outcome of this poll, the forums are staying around as long as we can afford to pay for them. Democracy be damned!

[reverendjeremiah]

Or implement a voting system like AV (Alternative Vote) and always include a "None of the above" option.

Also, I don't care about the outcome of this poll, the forums are staying around as long as we can afford to pay for them. Democracy be damned!

Well, we will just have to see if the majority of all the members on this forum vote to keep it. If not...well....sorry everyone, but no more forum.



anyways, I hope people can see how fucked up the system can get sometimes. Of course if rules like this were enacted for the stockholders meetings for these airlines they would shit cinder blocks.

[Tiberius]

I do think it is silly to count people who don't vote as actual votes. There should be a "none of the above" option, but to take into consideration people who are either too lazy to vote or don't care isn't going to solve any problems. The other alternative is to force people to vote (like in Australia), but I object to that on the grounds that it is authoritarian.

[reverendjeremiah]

I do think it is silly to count people who don't vote as actual votes. There should be a "none of the above" option, but to take into consideration people who are either too lazy to vote or don't care isn't going to solve any problems. The other alternative is to force people to vote (like in Australia), but I object to that on the grounds that it is authoritarian.

This is one of the reasons why I think democracy in and of itself is just flat out illusion.

Sure, if i HAVE to live in a democracy, then I want to be able to vote labor unions and shit. But if they are going to play games like this then the illusion merely gets worse.

Meh, Democracy only really works well with a small handful of people, and even then it isnt guarenteed to make everyone happy.

[Minimalist]

It's probably appropriate to remind everyone that the Founding Fathers did not want a democracy. They created a republic. In this republic of theirs the individual states determined suffrage and in 1787 that meant that with few exceptions only white, male, property owners could vote at all. Presidents were selected by an electoral college ( an anachronism which still exists to this very day ) and senators were elected by their state legislatures. Only the House of Representatives were directly elected by those people who were actually allowed to vote.

Were the Founding Fathers to come back today they would be aghast at what has been done to their carefully crafted White Man's Club. A constitution which was written to do one thing has been massaged, manipulated, and is now a creaking monstrosity held together with duct tape.

However, when certain idiots....let's make up some names, Sarah Palin and Ron Paul...talk about restoring their beloved "constitution" ( which they probably never read ) it is important to remember what it is that they are pining for.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

My response to such a poll; You will assume silence means "no"? Fuck you.

[reverendjeremiah]

My response to such a poll; You will assume silence means "no"? Fuck you.

They SPECIFICALLY made the rules that way knowing that no way in hell can the majority of a company can come together in a 10 hour period to vote on wether they want to unionize. Thats why they made it that way, so that unionization would be as difficult as ever to start.

It pisses me off too!

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Okay, as of this post we have a total of 2945 members.

7 of them have voted to keep the Forum.
2938 have not voted.

Currently the vote results are

Keep the Forum = 1%
Drop the Forum = 99%

The odds arent looking so good for this forum right now. And remember, unions rarely ever hold a ballot longer than a work day or 24 hours (depending on the local laws).

so in 24 hours from the time of the OP the polls will be tallyed up and the final results will be posted. All other votes after will be considered illegal and not counted (which means your active "yes" vote becomes a "no" vote for not voting on time)

[Doubting Thomas]

This is one of the reasons why I think democracy in and of itself is just flat out illusion.

Yes, and if I hear one more person bring up the "one vote counts" nonsense, I'm going to puke. How is my vote for president this fall going to matter in the long run, since my state will automatically go for the Republican? Your vote counts only if you go along with the majority.

I'm thinking that this has probably a lot to do with our problem of voter apathy.