For Black History Month

[Violet]

How about a Vaeolet history Month? A month devoted to learning all about the awesomeness of VLB?

Don't need one, don't want one.

That's all I do year-round anyway.

[Napoléon]

Right...ww2 only divides people on politics and race. Oh yeah, how about the nazi death camps when WW2 comes up. Some of the people think the jews lied about the holocaust. How about Axis Japan considering themselves the pure bred orientals? How about the racist japanese concentration camps in America. How about the Japanese calling the atomic bomb a terrorist attack?

but no..WW2 doesnt divide people on racial issues except when WW2 divides people on racial issues.

Im blind as a bat or disingenius?

You still miss the fucking point. It has been explained but you seem intent on trying to argue something completely different.

So tell me something...how come I have never, in my life, heard anyone complain about pacific island history month?

Didn't realise pacific island was a 'race'. Thanks for clearing that up.

How about Irish history month? Never heard a single person complain about it.

But BLACK history month...oh no...theres always a big stink about that one.

Are you seriously telling me, that you cannot see a problem with having a 'month' for [insert skin colour here].

My point, which I won't repeat again, so make sure you actually read and understand it this time, is that it is UNNECESSARY. Grouping a bunch of events together and labelling them as [insert skin colour here] history, is fucking ridiculous. The holocaust is as much white history as it is black history or jewish history or fucking jedi history. I don't think that labelling these events after a skin colour is needed. That's the bottom line.

[reverendjeremiah]

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That would be because I saw "geek" but didn't see you say "greek" afterwards. I couldn't understand your pissiness.[quote]
Which is why I was like "what is summerqueen talking about?" It was a train wreck..total communication breakdown merely because I failed to notice an "R". Isnt it amazing how fast shit can fall apart?



[quote]No, his consistency is in trying to follow a system, be it an amalgam or not, that he thinks would be fair to everyone. I don't say that it's all consistent with itself or with all libertarian policies. I call myself a liberal or a centerist because I myself follow a mixture, as I'm sure most people on this board would say they do. That's fine if you confront him on inconsistencies in his logic or question his reasoning behind a statement or choice, but don't paint him up to be a secret racist asshole when you don't have all the facts or haven't heard his full story or even let him explain his case without making a judgment. Am I a racist for finding this whole topic ludicrous, even though I do believe in progressive social policies? I don't think you'll call me one.
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So me thinking that Tiberius might be a secret racist because he's all for letting people put up whites only signs, and even breaking out the dogs and firehoses on blacks who wish to do business with them "depending on how violent they are" is bad?

How about when Napolean said I was either blind or disengenuous? Are you upset at that as well? Im not, and I approached it and openly stood up for myself and corrected it with points....not by claiming I have a right to ignore him and that he is delsuional.

What am i supposed to think when someone is fine with "whites only" signs being put up? Even supports them to legally do it and have it enforced by the police?

If someone said "The vatican is its own entity, and if they want to rape little kids then that is their right. Of course I dont support raping kids, but the vatican has its rights to move their priests around other countries to avoid laws as well." then everyone on this forum would be all over the poster like flies on shit. Yet when someone says its okay to let people be racist in public business because they should have a right to do so, suddenly people on this forum come out in support of the person posting it...and people like me have to jump through hoops of philosophies, histories, etc...etc...to plead my case. I dont have to do that with the raping priests do I? Which one is worse? I good sized hand full of priests abusing some kids, or allowing certain businesses to effectively shut an entire group of people based on skin color out of the free market?

Now after this person posts that he is fine with enforcing whites only businesses, he turns around and makes a post that is critical of black history month. What am I supposed to think then? That he isnt racist? sure, if it was ONLY him complaining on history months it would be no problem to me. In and of itself it is merely a critique on an educational method. Remember, there is a history involved here. tiberius has openly supported rights to be publicly racist and for the police to enforce those rights. He opposes civil rights acts as they "impose on freedoms". tiberius has a history of just brushing up against and even crossing the racism line. This thread doesnt help my view of him and thinking more and more that he may very well be a secret racist...nor will I apologize for saying it, nor will I jump through hoops about it. I dont have all the facts, but I do have SOME facts, and the facts I have seen suggest racism to me, or at least a form of soft racism.

Tiberisu calls me "deluded" for thinking this way..but how can I be deluded about this when Tiberius has clearly said he is in favor of the police breaking out the hoses and dogs on people who oppose whites only signs and legalized racism.

Its not a delusion if you have evidence.

[Napoléon]

How about when Napolean said I was either blind or disengenuous? Are you upset at that as well? Im not

I knew you'd take it like a man

I approached it and openly stood up for myself and corrected it with points.

I wouldn't go as far as to call them points really

[reverendjeremiah]

Just to clarify things, I got leo's joke, hence why I gave him kudos. If he was seriously suggesting a "geek history month" then I'll gladly take back the kudos, but I have a feeling he was just trying to create some humour.

I have apologized for my reading mistake. Im sorry for my reading mistake. He probably did put it up for humor.

There aren't enough months in the year to teach all the history months that people will inevitably want, and favouritism isn't going to solve that problem (in fact, it'll make it worse).

In your opinion. Mine is different. I think picking months to focus on certin things in education is a great idea. It was instrumental in changing me from my father raising me up to be racist. It gave me the education to prove that my father is wrong about saying "blacks are lazy". I could hand out several reason and black people who have helped society. So suggesting that ignoring race will fix the problem (since educating on it somehow makes it worse to you) in my opinion is not a good idea.

Don't worry summer, I'll always be a racist in their deluded minds.

When you think its fine and dandy to break out the dogs and the hoses to enforce a whites only sign then you will ALWAYS be considered either a racist and a supporter of racism to me. Insulting me by suggesting i am deluded only empowers me on the topic. I have produced evidence that you support racism, yet you call me deluded because I say you support racism using the evidence from your own posts.

There isn't any point arguing with them anymore, which is why I don't. Reverend Jeremiah, Minimalist, and bozo are all entitled to their opinions, and I'm entitled to ignore them.

Run away. There are many more on this forum who do not like you supporting racism, not just us three.

[Napoléon]

Run away. There are many more on this forum who do not like you supporting racism, not just us three.

I'm pretty sure they don't support racism. Just freedom of expression.

[reverendjeremiah]

How about this - the next time I post a video that says something disparaging against Rebecca Watson, or disagrees with a point she's making at the time, is it because I'm a misogynist and hatefully posting it to spite her and women, or is it because something about the video makes a point I agree with and find valuable?

You dont have a history of supporting sexism on this board. If you were supporting the repeal of the womans right to vote, and maybe made a few comments about how women are better at being in the kitchen than out at a job or something, then yes...I would bring up a question of you being sexist.

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You still miss the fucking point. It has been explained but you seem intent on trying to argue something completely different.

Is it possible for you to talk to me without cussing on this board? If you dont like a history month, then feel free to just ignore it. I have stayed on topic as much as possible, nor have I cussed or hurled insults at you about it.

Didn't realise pacific island was a 'race'. Thanks for clearing that up.

Its "pacific islander"

Are you seriously telling me, that you cannot see a problem with having a 'month' for [insert skin colour here].

Yes, i seriously dont mind it one bit, and find people complaining about it to be a bit too nit picky for my taste. i have no problem with "communist history month", "capitalist history month", "budhist history month"...anything and everything with education.

My point, which I won't repeat again,

With that kind of attitude I would prefer you not repeating it again either.

so make sure you actually read and understand it this time

is that it is UNNECESSARY.

Im not sure if it was the cussing, or the suggestions that I wasnt being serious, or that i was blind, or that I was missing the point, or the sarcasm, or suggeting that i cant understand things...but somewhere in that list you FINALLY converted me....I can see it now. Its completely unnecessary.

What other things are unnecessary in education since i have your attention?

Grouping a bunch of events together and labelling them as [insert skin colour here] history, is fucking ridiculous.

If it is ridiculous to you, then by all means feel free not to partake in them.

The holocaust is as much white history as it is black history or jewish history or fucking jedi history.

Yes...many Jedi died back then.

I don't think that labelling these events after a skin colour is needed. That's the bottom line.

wonderful...now please dont repeat it again like you promised. I have it down completely now. thankyou.

[thesummerqueen]

So me thinking that Tiberius might be a secret racist because he's all for letting people put up whites only signs, and even breaking out the dogs and firehoses on blacks who wish to do business with them "depending on how violent they are" is bad?

Tiberius: would you be in favor of people of any race deciding they could say which race they want to serve in their private business and defending their business if someone tried to force their way in?

I don't agree with it. Unfortunately or fortunately, I've talked with him enough publicly and privately to say I think I know his overall support. If he called you deluded when he didn't explain himself adequately, well, fuck, miscommunication happens...like up above. We use that word far too liberally and I don't like it, as I've stated elsewhere. So if I understand him then he's probably figured he's explained himself well enough and you continue not to see, and you haven't had it explained to your satisfaction.

How about when Napolean said I was either blind or disengenuous? Are you upset at that as well? Im not, and I approached it and openly stood up for myself and corrected it with points....not by claiming I have a right to ignore him and that he is delsuional.

First, I don't think I have to explain that calling someone blind or liar after they have repeatedly attempted to explain themselves is quite the same as labeling someone a racist, but fine I'll give it to you because of what I said above: you and Tib are not seeing eye to eye and it's making you think he's a racist. It upset me, because I clearly think he isn't, and I said I wouldn't stand by while someone did. I don't think you're disengenuous - I think your disagreement has blinded you to an extent. I'll stand up and defend you when I think you're being painted in the wrong light too.

What am i supposed to think when someone is fine with "whites only" signs being put up? Even supports them to legally do it and have it enforced by the police?

See above - that's part of his libertarian ideas. Excuse me for a moment, Tiberius: you don't live in the US, and you don't have quite the understanding of how people use those principles in order to exclude people for bullshit reasons - you support a system that has the ideal that people wouldn't discriminate based on something so stupid, but that's not how the world works, hence why Rev and I support more progressive policies.

If someone said "The vatican is its own entity, and if they want to rape little kids then that is their right. Of course I dont support raping kids, but the vatican has its rights to move their priests around other countries to avoid laws as well."

Refusing service is not the same as raping children. If someone storms your business and you defend it, that's not the same as raping children. Can we clarify what situation he thought was necessary to have dogs and hoses? Peaceful protest? Or violent? Because I'd except riot police beating the fuck out of white people, black people, asians, latinos, or martians if they're setting fire to some place - even a neo-nazi hang out.

and people like me have to jump through hoops of philosophies, histories, etc...etc...to plead my case.

You're not jumping through any hoops, and the only one getting excited is you.

Now after this person posts that he is fine with enforcing whites only businesses, he turns around and makes a post that is critical of black history month.

Hm, again, I do believe he posted it because he believes in the egalitarianism that Morgan Freeman tried to described, but god forbid (excuse the expression) a white person agree with it. If I had posted it, what would have made it different? Simply because I support progressive measures? I could love all races except black people. How about asking instead WHAT about the video he valued, rather than just assuming it's because he's racist? I don't think he is, but I also don't think he has a clear understanding of what happened here in America (we've had this discussion before, and I'm sorry, Tiberius, your views of our history AND of the Tea Party, as an example, are idealistic and sometimes just wrong) but they're not coming from a vindictive standpoint.

And I can question the authenticity of your evidence, or your interpretation of it, all I like.

[reverendjeremiah]

Run away. There are many more on this forum who do not like you supporting racism, not just us three.

I'm pretty sure they don't support racism. Just freedom of expression.

No...no no no...I specifically asked Tiberius if it was merely about expression or enforcement. He suggested it was about freedom of expression.

So fine, if it is freedom of expression, then someone can hang a sign "whites only" on his hospital. If a black goes in and tries to purchase treatment and the owner refuses because he is black, then the black man can sue the owner and win in a court of law.

..that is NOT what Tiberius supports...

He has clearly said that if the racist doesnt want you in his establishment, then the cops SHOULD come and enforce his racism by jailing the black man for refusing to heed the "whites only" sign. When asked if he would break out the hoses and dogs if blacks joined together in a group to enter a "whites only" restaurant, he had no problem with it "depending on how violent they are".

You see, there is a BIG difference between freedom of expression and official state enforcement of that expression. Tiberius SUPPORTS the official enforcement of racism.

THAT is why I call him a supporter of racism.

[Napoléon]

Is it possible for you to talk to me without cussing on this board?

Is it against the rules to say fuck? Fuck fuck fuckity fuck. Freedom of expression eh? Bloody stupid isn't it?

If you dont like a history month, then feel free to just ignore it.

I do normally. But I have every right to express my opinion on it if the topic interests me here. And I will.

I have stayed on topic as much as possible, nor have I cussed or hurled insults at you about it.

Well done. Want a gold star?

Its "pacific islander"

Hmm, learn't something new today. I prefer to call them fellow human beings without having the need to specify that they are different but whatever.

Yes, i seriously dont mind it one bit, and find people complaining about it to be a bit too nit picky for my taste.

Awww, too bad. I find dividing people up into race and giving them a month to 'celebrate it' incredibly demeaning. But hey, that's just me.

i have no problem with "communist history month", "capitalist history month", "budhist history month"...anything and everything with education.

But here is where you go off from the main point. Having a communist history month (which is still stupid and pointless) is not the bloody same as having a 'black' history month.

With that kind of attitude I would prefer you not repeating it again either.

Well I wouldn't worry about it. You seem too pre-occupied with someone saying a few naughty words to actually devote enough brain power to understanding the argument.

so make sure you actually read and understand it this time

is that it is UNNECESSARY.

Im not sure if it was the cussing, or the suggestions that I wasnt being serious, or that i was blind, or that I was missing the point, or the sarcasm, or suggeting that i cant understand things...but somewhere in that list you FINALLY converted me....I can see it now. Its completely unnecessary.

Good! I knew you had a brain there somewhere

What other things are unnecessary in education since i have your attention?

Labelling people as different races for a start.

If it is ridiculous to you, then by all means feel free not to partake in them.

How the fuck am I going to partake in them anyway?

Yes...many Jedi died back then.

Vader was incredibly mean.

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THAT is why I call him a supporter of racism.

Well forgive me then, I shouldn't speak on his behalf.