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Free Will vs Divine Won't - How God Favours Evil
March 28, 2012 at 7:23 pm
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With all the focus on free will of late, this seems an appropriate moment to share this from the incomparable DarkMatter2525.
"If the Abrahamic God is real, then He cares more about the rapist's freedom to rape, and the murderer's freedom to murder, than He cares about the lives of their victims."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1BzP1wr234?rel=0
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Free Will vs Divine Won't - How God Favours Evil
March 28, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Free will? What's that? 
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RE: Free Will vs Divine Won't - How God Favours Evil
March 28, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Wouldn't he have to fix all the evil if he fixed one? Isn't this idea heaven, i think where were at is earth.
Also it assumes that omnipresence is proven fact from the bible. I'll set the argument based on bible scripture; something like i can not escape you from the highest points of heaven or lowest depths of earth. I argue that he does not mention the area or dimension God is in before he creates the heavens and the earth.
God's reaction tho Job basically answers this anyways, that's what that whole book was about.
He's God, what do you think he does up there...
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RE: Free Will vs Divine Won't - How God Favours Evil
March 28, 2012 at 9:12 pm
The whole point is that the god character as traditionally presented doesn't fix any evil. Worse, the character, by inaction, allows if not encourages evil to flourish. Of course, as you may have gathered from my tone, I don't consider the god concept anything more than a product of overhyped mythology; your turning to that same mythology to subsantiate your assertions merely strengthens my opinion.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Free Will vs Divine Won't - How God Favours Evil
March 28, 2012 at 9:17 pm
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"Up there", still showing the tendency towards sky fairies..lol.
God who? Up where?
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RE: Free Will vs Divine Won't - How God Favours Evil
March 28, 2012 at 9:46 pm
The God who doesn't fix any evil is drawn from said source. I can not rebuttal with knowledge from said source. I must accept what you only discern from said source and accept it. Noted.
Up nowhere obliviously, you don't see him i guess hes not there, oh well.
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RE: Free Will vs Divine Won't - How God Favours Evil
March 28, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Interesting use of the martyr card there. You can use whatever sources you like for your rebuttal for all the shit I give. To me it's all mythology anyway so knock yourself out. You and your compadres in christ are the ones chasing your collective tails to rationalise why your god does the things it does (or more accurately doesn't).
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Free Will vs Divine Won't - How God Favours Evil
March 28, 2012 at 10:34 pm
(March 28, 2012 at 9:01 pm)C Rod Wrote: Wouldn't he have to fix all the evil if he fixed one? Isn't this idea heaven, i think where were at is earth.
Also it assumes that omnipresence is proven fact from the bible. I'll set the argument based on bible scripture; something like i can not escape you from the highest points of heaven or lowest depths of earth. I argue that he does not mention the area or dimension God is in before he creates the heavens and the earth.
God's reaction tho Job basically answers this anyways, that's what that whole book was about.
He's God, what do you think he does up there...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5vyISHK3oM
Well that begs the question don't you think? If heaven can be sustained as a "purely good" environment in which human souls exist eternally why couldn't the earth have just been the same way? If the earth could be corrupted with sin why couldn't heaven? Why couldn't god have just created heaven and skipped the whole earth nonesense? Special pleading for earth if we say earth can be corrupted and heaven cannot. If god was unable to create an "uncorruptable" environment it just goes to show the limitations of god's powers.
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RE: Free Will vs Divine Won't - How God Favours Evil
March 28, 2012 at 11:44 pm
Isn't it all special pleading and begging the question?
Heaven was corrupted, the #1 angel Lucifer with his consciousness and will corrupted and took a third of the angels with him.
Corruption comes with the right of choice.
A good question is if you created a sentient entity does that created being ever have the right to be greater than the one that created it?
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RE: Free Will vs Divine Won't - How God Favours Evil
March 29, 2012 at 12:06 am
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Which then begs the question, these angels, incredibly powerful, very wise and intelligent, endowed with free will and full witness to his "glory"....decided that your god was a piece of shit? And then, of course, this leads to the strange situation that now, we frail human beings, not so wise and only moderately intelligent, similarly equipped with freewill and having never witnessed his glory at all seem to be reaching the same conclusion.
Sounds like gods 0 for 2 on this count buddy. "Great" my ass, clearly isn't cut out for his job.
Since when is "great" decided by "right" btw? Do you have no "right" to be "greater" than your parents? I think that they would probably hope that you would be.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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