atheists and "conspiracy" theories

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

As far as protesters being shot, what about Kent State? I don't know if the Gov. ordered it or not, but I know some students got killed.

Strawman fallacy.

[Thor]

So let me get this straight.... You think the US government contacted terrorists and coordinated multiple hijackings on a particular day. These terrorists were instructed to fly the hijacked planes into buildings like the WTC and the Pentagon. Then, in preparation for these hijackings the government knew were coming, they had people put explosive charges into the buildings so a collapse would be guaranteed. Then they had people wait for the planes to crash into the buildings so they could set off the explosive charges and collapse the building. And this was all authorized at the highest levels of government.

Yeah, makes perfect sense to me!

[Bgood]

I go by empirical and circumstantial evidence on the case of 911. Emotionally I would prefer to believe that it was a terrorist attack by Al-qauda and our wars are justified. But I simply don't. Of course all the information I can go on is from the internet, books, conversations and movies and such. I have only gone on second -hand info and not from direct experience. I witnessed 911 on T.V. live when it happened but I never even suspected it being a conspiracy up until just two years ago. So I was very reluctant and hestitant to becoming a "truther". At times I still find it hard to accept but it is what it is.

I don't feel the need to bring evidence to this forum because I know there is debunking 'evidence' that opposes nearly every claim. I looked at both sides and I personally find the conspiracy model to be surprisingly and unfortunately more coherent and believable. I should not be heckled for that. I am not going on blind faith. You guys know all the material that is out there on 911. It is endless!

I believe that some conspiracies are more science -fiction rather than fact, but the correct 911 conspiracy is totally plausible. There is no alien intervention, or holograms, or UFO's and we know the C.I.A. is really fucking shady, c'mon!

[Cyberman]

So let me get this straight.... You think the US government contacted terrorists and coordinated multiple hijackings on a particular day. These terrorists were instructed to fly the hijacked planes into buildings like the WTC and the Pentagon. Then, in preparation for these hijackings the government knew were coming, they had people put explosive charges into the buildings so a collapse would be guaranteed. Then they had people wait for the planes to crash into the buildings so they could set off the explosive charges and collapse the building. And this was all authorized at the highest levels of government.

Yeah, makes perfect sense to me!

Would have been a whole lot easier to land those buildings on the Moon, wouldn't it?

[Bgood]

This is the only way the fires could have gotten hot enough to melt steel! Jet fuel on it's own would not cause skyscrapers to collapse all the way to the ground in complete rubble. Whatever you have to dispute this is B.S. that the Government is shitting out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxMjqskh3...lpage#t=0s

And still WTC7 makes no sense!

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This is it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAOy7XzXY...age#t=109s

[Norfolk And Chance]

First of all, there is actually a lot of evidence to prove that the moon landing was faked. Just look at so much of the photos and you can see it was staged. Plus, if we were there and technology is so much better now, why haven't we been back?

As far as aliens go, just think about it. They have the technology to go from one universe to the other, but not enough technology to go without slaughtering animals to study them. Even our society can do ultrasounds and scans to get a view into something anatomy. I believe there are aliens out there, but I know they aren't experimenting on cows or making crop circles.

Could an alien craft have crashed into the US? What makes us so special? They can go from universe to universe, but can't figure out how to maneuver around those darn trees.

If you look at the records from 911, there is much proof that President Bush and Dick Cheney were in the midst of military exercises on purpose. They did it deliberately so that the Air Force would be busy and unable to respond in time. President Bush needed an excuse to go after Sadam. Isn't it strange that we went after Sadam when there was overwhelming proof that the Taliban weren't even dealing with Sadam?

Unfortunately, people don't care enough. They say so what if Bush and Cheney were behind it all. What are we going to do about it? No one cares enough about the big stuff, but hey, lets spend loads of money and time to check out President Obama's birth certificate. Yeah, OK.

All that shit you spewed there is made up.
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[Phil]

I know this guy was brought up earlier in the thread but I really couldn't be bothered to respond to his inanity. I am speaking of Steven Jones the former BYU professor. How anybody can give his magic thermate theory any credence is beyond me. Firstly, Steven Jones still thinks that Pons and Fleischmann of cold fusion infamy were right and that their findings were "silenced" and he is still active in cold fusion research. Second and even more damning should be seen by who his employer is (I mean was). Steven Jones is a Mormon. Nothing is wrong with that as there are myriads of religious people in the world. Where the problem lies is that he has written a paper that there is scientific and archeological evidence that Jesus walked the Americas. Both of the reasons above show that Steven Jones has zero critical thinking skills and his science skills are severely lacking. How anyone gives him credence on 9/11 is beyond foolishness.

[Bgood]

We should access the facts, not the messengers of 911 Truth. Stay focused.

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Here is the official story to get our facts straight once and for all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs...page#t=84s

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This should be viewed for the sheer entertainment of seeing Jesse Ventura bodyslam this Fox News troll.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9mbotpeu...age#t=238s

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Here is an interesting phenomenon that I researched and question on my own. I haven't seen this addressed by neither conspiracy theorists nor debunkers.

Fact:
9:58:59 A.M. The South Tower of the World Trade Center begins to collapse, 56 minutes after the impact of Flight 175.

10:28:22 A.M. The North Tower of the World Trade Center collapses. 1 hour, 42 minutes after the impact of Flight 11.

If fires alone brought down the towers, then why did they collapse at differenting rates of burning? Simple Laws of physics would say that the buildings would collapse after X amount of time. The North Tower, which got struck by a plane first by nearly 15 minutes, fell down about 30 minutes after the South Tower collapsed. it would only seem logical that the North tower which burned nearly 45 minutes longer would have collapsed sooner than the other.

I don't think any debunkers have addressed this issue with any substantive, scientific reasoning. Yet here is another hole in the B.S. official story of the 911 Commission Report and further sway toward a controlled demolition.

Wow, I'm proud of myself for coming up with this one on my own. Now try and rationalize this into making better sense debunkers.

[Cyberman]

Why not look up 911 truth yourself? You can look up specifically what you want to know. Start with Zeitgeist part 2. I thought that was pretty informative for starters. And who is to say that all the 'debunking' evidence is not bullshit?

We should access the facts, not the messengers of 911 Truth. Stay focused.

Well, in that spirit of enquiry I present the following for mutual edification:

Zeitgeist, The Movie Debunked - Part II: All The World's a Stage

and this more in-depth look at the

September 11th Conspiracies - Twin Towers

I draw attention specifically to the following section:

It Looked Like a Controlled Demolition

[Abishalom]

Hehe, you told me to read world history. Name a single government that attacked its own people and covered it up in order to start a foreign war. Give me one that was proven. Just one.

The fact of it is, and history will show you, governments don't need to do shit like that to wage war. They could fear monger and make up heaps of lies that would have the same effect. Propaganda is very, very good at that and far more cost effective. I'm also going to go ahead and add that shithead leaders and governments that attack their own people are always found out. You can't cover that shit up. History will show you that too. Russia, on numerous occasions, is an excellent example. China, nearly every country in Africa, Germany and even the United States (internment camps anyone?) are more examples. More often than not, they get away with it. The government of the U.S. has no reason to do it now, though. This system is such that attacks, forced labor, etc. are useless. America is much more lucrative to officials when its people are working hard for war. World War II is an excellent example of that. Give me motive that stands up. Come on.

Want to talk history some more?

What do you think the "war on terror" was (still no weapons of MD)? It's called propaganda...