atheists and "conspiracy" theories

[Creed of Heresy]

Absolute brilliance.

...I needed to see someone make a post this intelligent and thought-out in this topic. I really did. <3

[Bgood]

A short list:

1) Non sequiturs; reasoning that a conclusion follows from a set of premises when it in fact does not do so. (e.g. Arguing that Bush and America's involvement with the bin Laden family implied a similar relationship with Osama bin Laden.)
2) Argument from ignorance; the belief that if no better explanation is available, the one that one has must be correct. (This is a common theme even outside conspiracy theories, that if person B doesn't know why X, then person A must be on to something. Many times we don't know, we may never know. And this is exacerbated when people like 9/11 Truthers present details that people aren't familiar with and then imply that it means something when this person whom you've accosted with unfamiliar information can't explain it.)
3) Propaganda; appealing to emotion to generate a conclusion rather than facts, evidence and logic. (Despite having ample bad guys to draw from, 9/11 truthers inevitably look to people they don't like. To the best of my knowledge, the pope has yet to be implicated in 9/11.)
4) Fraud and lies (or simple mistakes); presenting facts which are either known to be untrue, or which one has omitted to check.

I think this list can be applied to more than just "conspiracy theories". Lawyers generally use these tactics to sway jurors in favoring their clients for one instance. Also I think it would be tremendously important to admit that any government official who is in charge of psychological propaganda and in debunking conspiracy claims is fully aware of this list. So they will play on it like a fiddle.

Basically these 4 characteristics or techniques can be used virtually to "prove" or "disprove" anything! The very fact that this list is projected onto specifically conspiracy nutjobs is the very essence of ostacizacing and labeling. It is a form of bigotry, definitely not science!

Don't we have any original thinkers on this forum instead of just people who only copy and paste what they get off other websites and act like as if the are the eternal owners of all knowledge?

[Cinjin]

This thread has gotten a lot attention of recent. Thank you for the Reports. We're on it.

[Bgood]

You should really stop spamming that video because it doesn't prove anything.

Nothing proves anything. Debunker videos don't "prove" anything. They only attempt to disprove a single claim at a time.This type of "attack" on truth is easy to do. Anything in the world can be debunked. I swear to it. Tell me something that is undisputably UNDEBUNKABLE, and I will give you the keys to my mansion!

I can play games with truth also, just like the best debunkers.

[Creed of Heresy]

Clearly the move to ignore Bgood was the best one I could have ever undertaken seeing as he's still frantically posting things. I am almost tempted to open the posts up to look at them.

Clearly, self-torture is a strange thing humans lust for. Good thing I can resist temptation.

[Napoléon]

Nothing proves anything.

[Bgood]

Wow, you wildly criticze Jesus freaks for their "herd mentality" in believing in God and disbelieving science.
Yet how similar are some atheists for their herd mentality in believing the most bogus official stories on 911 and the war on terror and disbelieving basic laws of physics and human nature.
Great Irony it is I see.

[Napoléon]

Wow, you wildly criticze Jesus freaks for their "herd mentality" in believing in God and disbelieving science.
Yet how similar are some atheists for their herd mentality in believing the most bogus official stories on 911 and the war on terror and disbelieving basic laws of physics and human nature.
Great Irony it is I see.

I see far more irony in how fucking easily you are misled to believe these conspiracy theories.

BTW. Why do you give me kudos for my awesome posts? Are you trying to save face or something? Make it look like you have a sense of humour?

[Bgood]

[quote='Napoleon' pid='280971' dateline='1336088977']

So what is impossible to debunk?

[Creed of Heresy]

Wow, you wildly criticze Jesus freaks for their "herd mentality" in believing in God and disbelieving science.
Yet how similar are some atheists for their herd mentality in believing the most bogus official stories on 911 and the war on terror and disbelieving basic laws of physics and human nature.
Great Irony it is I see.

I see far more irony in how fucking easily you are misled to believe these conspiracy theories.

BTW. Why do you give me kudos for my awesome posts? Are you trying to save face or something? Make it look like you have a sense of humour?

I see no irony whatsoever; he believes in buddhism, why SHOULDN'T he believe every psychopath he's heard ramble? Lol