Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: December 1, 2024, 6:28 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Islam Responsible for the growth of Christianity and Europe
#11
RE: Islam Responsible for the growth of Christianity and Europe
(May 18, 2012 at 6:47 pm)Polaris Wrote:
(May 18, 2012 at 6:38 pm)Chuck Wrote: In what way, other than ecclesiatic bragging rights, did the great schism weaken christianity?

Well it actually managed to divide Christians and the Crusades were at times as much a conflict between the two Christian sides than it was between the Western Christians and the Moslems.

Now it is not nearly as destructive a break as the later Protestant movement would be though, mainly because the Protestant movement started within the confines of the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church was in its own separate domain.

Oh, I mustn't have heard of the wholesale slaughter of Orthodox christians in the crusades.

The only real time that the catholic crusaders hit out at the Byzantine Empire was in the 4th crusade.
Reply
#12
RE: Islam Responsible for the growth of Christianity and Europe
Quote:the Crusades were at times as much a conflict between the two Christian sides than it was between the Western Christians and the Moslems.


And don't forget the Jews.... they always seem to be on somebody's spear point.
Reply
#13
RE: Islam Responsible for the growth of Christianity and Europe
(May 18, 2012 at 6:51 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:the Crusades were at times as much a conflict between the two Christian sides than it was between the Western Christians and the Moslems.


And don't forget the Jews.... they always seem to be on somebody's spear point.

I thought they were relatively well treated by the Moslems and then the Christian convicts came in search of loot and well the rest is history.
Reply
#14
RE: Islam Responsible for the growth of Christianity and Europe
Precisely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution...st_Crusade

Quote:The preaching of the First Crusade inspired an outbreak of anti-Jewish violence. In parts of France and Germany, Jews were perceived as just as much an enemy as Muslims: they were held responsible for the crucifixion, and they were more immediately visible than the distant Muslims. Many people wondered why they should travel thousands of miles to fight non-believers when there were already non-believers closer to home
Reply
#15
RE: Islam Responsible for the growth of Christianity and Europe
(May 18, 2012 at 6:51 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:the Crusades were at times as much a conflict between the two Christian sides than it was between the Western Christians and the Moslems.


And don't forget the Jews.... they always seem to be on somebody's spear point.

I think much of the conflict between the greeks and the franks were an unavoidable clash resulting from differing levels of sophistication and culture, and not from the schism.

As to the jews, it's not like the Frankish barbarians would have spared them if the roman church didn't separate from the greek church. The pograms were an artifact of the crusades, not of the schism.
Reply
#16
RE: Islam Responsible for the growth of Christianity and Europe
I wouldn't say that Islam is "responsible" for that. I'd say the people of that religion are.
This doesn't directly make the religion responsible for anything.
[Image: trkdevletbayraklar.jpg]
Üze Tengri basmasar, asra Yir telinmeser, Türük bodun ilingin törüngin kim artatı udaçı erti?
Reply



Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  [Quranic Reflection]: Anthropomorphism and God in Islam WinterHold 15 2102 June 16, 2021 at 2:30 pm
Last Post: Fake Messiah
  Liberal Movement in Islam or Western Islam, the fight against islamic extremism Ashendant 16 8632 December 20, 2019 at 1:59 pm
Last Post: Deesse23
  To clear up that Islam is not pedophilia and chrisitanity is according to a guy here Smain 6 1164 June 26, 2018 at 9:20 am
Last Post: Mister Agenda
  Islam; my faith; and other faiths WinterHold 77 13949 April 30, 2017 at 4:12 pm
Last Post: WinterHold
  Islam and Women Lebneni Murtad 48 9756 March 6, 2017 at 9:56 pm
Last Post: WinterHold
  Question about Near Death Experiences and Islam? arda101 11 4540 January 23, 2017 at 1:38 pm
Last Post: zebo-the-fat
  Islam is hostile, but there is also lots of bias from muslims and bigotry aswell Rolandson 7 2733 January 22, 2017 at 11:44 am
Last Post: account_inactive
  Charlie Hebdo journalist sees a problem with Islam and Mohammed mralstoner 5 1540 October 22, 2016 at 2:51 pm
Last Post: purplepurpose
  The West's Response to Islam and violence...... Brian37 16 3668 May 18, 2016 at 7:52 pm
Last Post: dom.donald
  Islam and its History and Impact of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) yukapuka 161 22751 January 12, 2016 at 6:44 pm
Last Post: ReptilianPeon



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)