Hey Everyone.

[Violet]

Also, nothing can exist outside of time fr0do, except in one form: nothingness. For something to exist, it must have a time and location component. Time and location defines our identity. Even clones have separate identities.

[fr0d0]

Indeed, not both. Also, an omniscient being knows everything, and therefore it can't be wrong, or surprised. However, the christian god is very often surprised, or dead wrong, and therefore is not omniscient.

So how do we know that God was surprised or wrong? From human understanding? From an allegorical story? That God was 'surprised' that Adam & Eve would disobey him, he already knew because he already knows everything to the end of time. Setting up the physical reality that plays out its natural course. It could do no other.

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Also, nothing can exist outside of time fr0do, except in one form: nothingness. For something to exist, it must have a time and location component. Time and location defines our identity. Even clones have separate identities.

Says who Saerules? Natural physics? My God is non temporal. Shame you missed the discussion with Jon Paul where he explained this. Nothingness is never empty. If you assume God is temporal then you assume a different God to me.

[Godlesspanther]

No youre wrong. I dont expect that to happen at all. I expect to be laughed at and ridiculed... Like Iam now... But im one of those types who just cant sit still and will fight even when he knows he'll most certainly lose.

Unlike god apostrophes do exist. Are you a glutton for punishment?

[Darwinian]

It's the fundamentalist desire to be a martyr.

[fr0d0]

Uh oh... it's the grammar police!

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It's the fundamentalist desire to be a martyr.

Crash and burn on an atheist forum - what a way to go....

[Violet]

Indeed, not both. Also, an omniscient being knows everything, and therefore it can't be wrong, or surprised. However, the christian god is very often surprised, or dead wrong, and therefore is not omniscient.

So how do we know that God was surprised or wrong? From human understanding? From an allegorical story? That God was 'surprised' that Adam & Eve would disobey him, he already knew because he already knows everything to the end of time. Setting up the physical reality that plays out its natural course. It could do no other.

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Also, nothing can exist outside of time fr0do, except in one form: nothingness. For something to exist, it must have a time and location component. Time and location defines our identity. Even clones have separate identities.

Says who Saerules? Natural physics? My God is non temporal. Shame you missed the discussion with Jon Paul where he explained this. Nothingness is never empty. If you assume God is temporal then you assume a different God to me.

So why does he 'play' surprised when he isn't? Why does he allow these things to happen when he knows he will get upset over them? We know he was surprised because of the bible... and if he was not surprised, then he was wrong to let it happen the way he did. The Holocaust? He must have been surprised, or else he was just plain wrong (wether in character or in knowledge).

We live in a four dimensional universe... and these four dimensions define location and time, the two most important factors in knowing who we are. Nothingness is exactly that: the lack of anything. Outside of everything... what do you have? Absolutely nothing. Is God nothing then? If he is nothing... then nothing exists as something. And that something is then part of everything, which is inside of nothing.

For nothingness to not be empty: it must disbecome nothingness.

[Godlesspanther]

The crash and burn mentality is common at the age of 16. One day this kid will wake up and realize that he's over 30 and he's still alive. And he will be using apostrophes and/or stop believing in fairy tales.

I am not the grammar police but I do appreciate, at least, an attempt at proper English. Lazy and sloppy posts are subject to admonishment.

[Ace Otana]

For starters how do you scientific folks prove the non-existence of God and why do you non-scientific folk do not what to beleive in him if its a wuestion of beleif for you?

Firstly it's not down to us to prove or disprove religious claims. It's your claim, you prove it. I do not believe in god because there is no evidence to suggest that there is a god.
Do you have any evidence to bring forward for your god claim?

[fr0d0]

So why does he 'play' surprised when he isn't? Why does he allow these things to happen when he knows he will get upset over them? We know he was surprised because of the bible... and if he was not surprised, then he was wrong to let it happen the way he did. The Holocaust? He must have been surprised, or else he was just plain wrong (wether in character or in knowledge).

His 'playing surprised' is a human observation. We cannot know such a thing. He lets it play out because this is the natural path for things to follow. He created the environment and what happens in it is a result of physical laws playing out. His actuality was pure good. From our egotistical perspective some of the detail looks bad. Like we have little or no concern for the welfare of the parasites dependant on us for survival. Sure we aspire to eco balance.. that sometimes means sufferring on some level - this doesn't make us evil - our intention was good. Much like the balance of nature.

We live in a four dimensional universe... and these four dimensions define location and time, the two most important factors in knowing who we are. Nothingness is exactly that: the lack of anything. Outside of everything... what do you have? Absolutely nothing. Is God nothing then? If he is nothing... then nothing exists as something. And that something is then part of everything, which is inside of nothing.

For nothingness to not be empty: it must disbecome nothingness.

God is non temporal. He is not ever somethingness. You cannot formulate hypothesis for existance in this reality, well you can but I'd say it's futile, because what we can know and have narrowed it down to, is non temporality.

[Minimalist]

Do you have any evidence to bring forward for your god claim?

My money is on "no."