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Pastor once told me we all naturally believe in god
#21
RE: Pastor once told me we all naturally believe in god
So if theres no god, how should i as a atheist explain all the bad stuff that happens in world, and injustices like poeple getting killed and etc

also what hope do i have? becaues theres no god, and this world is so full of BS, how do i know my future will be okay?

i could get hit by a car and die today!
or i could struggle through college for 4 yeras, and the day i graduate i could die from a drive by shooting.
can u see?

theists can say though, if they die, its gods plan so they will be in heaven

but its kinda depresssing as a atheist that this life is it - and i could get paralyzed tomorrow and spend rest of my life as a vegetable...and then die and rot in the ground

even though i know god hate sme, i beieve that after peopel die they get what they want

i believe hardcore christians get to spend eternity praising god
atheists can not exist or choose to reincarnate or w/e they want

personaly i just want to live the perfect life, where everythign is okay, no struggles no worries, and just party all day and video games that are easy but challenging enough to keep interest
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#22
RE: Pastor once told me we all naturally believe in god
Quote:So if theres no god, how should i as a atheist explain all the bad stuff that happens in world, and injustices like poeple getting killed and etc
Good and bad are just concepts. Also people die, so do animals. It's part of nature. It's the way things are. Either you can accept it or deny it. Reality bends for no one.

Quote:also what hope do i have? becaues theres no god, and this world is so full of BS, how do i know my future will be okay?
You do what you can for yourself. Build a future, make plans. There is no guarantee that life will be fine. Many children, even babies die before they've had the chance to live. Once again, it's nature.

Quote:i could get hit by a car and die today!
or i could struggle through college for 4 yeras, and the day i graduate i could die from a drive by shooting.
can u see?
So? Life is no walk in the park. It's not without it's wonders and beauty but if you do nothing but focus on the bad stuff, you'll never be happy. You'll always be blind to the many good things in the world.


Quote:theists can say though, if they die, its gods plan so they will be in heaven
Wishful thinking. Remember, you nor anyone else can dictate how reality is. If there is no such thing as a god or a heaven then that's that. Reality bends for no one. No matter how much you want something to be true, or how badly you believe it. If you're wrong, you're wrong.

Quote:but its kinda depresssing as a atheist that this life is it - and i could get paralyzed tomorrow and spend rest of my life as a vegetable...and then die and rot in the ground
The truth often is cold and hard, the world/galaxy/universe wasn't made for us. To the cosmos and all in it, we don't matter. 95% of the universe is empty space. All the planets, suns, galaxies make up just 5% of it. We are just a tiny tiny fraction of that 5%. When we die we simply cease to exist. For some, it hurts to hear that.

The truth is the truth, even if no one believes it, and a lie is a lie even if everyone believes it.

Quote:even though i know god hate sme, i beieve that after peopel die they get what they want
Wishful thinking. You want that to be true, but the question is - is it true or is it completely false?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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#23
RE: Pastor once told me we all naturally believe in god
(June 7, 2012 at 10:46 am)zentor Wrote: also what hope do i have? becaues theres no god, and this world is so full of BS, how do i know my future will be okay?

Er, what? You mean you think no god existing is WORSE than a god existing who's specifically pissed off at you? That doesn't even make any sense.

(June 7, 2012 at 10:46 am)zentor Wrote: i could get hit by a car and die today!
or i could struggle through college for 4 yeras, and the day i graduate i could die from a drive by shooting.
can u see?

Ironically, you would only experience the bitterness of those events in a worldview that incorporates an afterlife. If there's no afterlife and I get hit by a bus tomorrow I'll be dead. That's it. I won't be thinking "aww, I never even got to finish that song I was working on!"
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#24
RE: Pastor once told me we all naturally believe in god
Zentor, you shouldn't be on this forum. You don't sound well or like you are in your right mind. Please see a doctor if you have not already. I wish I could give you a big hug. Undecided

But yes, religion is a human universal, societies develop theism independently of each other, no matter how far flung or isolated. Its like language or art, cutting down to our very roots and what it means to be a human. Humans will always seek out God.
Mary Immaculate, star of the morning
Chosen before the creation began
Chosen to bring for your bridal adorning
Woe to the serpent and rescue to man.

Sinners, we honor your sinless perfection;
Fallen and weak, for your pity we plead;
Grand us the shield of your sovereign protection,
Measure your aid by the depth of our need.

Bend from your throne at the voice of our crying,
Bend to this earth which your footsteps have trod;
Stretch out your arms to us, living and dying,
Mary Immaculate, Mother of God.


Heart
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#25
RE: Pastor once told me we all naturally believe in god
Okay guys thanks
I will just he agnostic because atheism makes me depressed
Atheism says life has no purpose so what's the point in living?
And if u were paralyzed would u want to live?
I have just this illness and I don't want o live, but too scared to suicide

Btw u guys got anti Jesus jokes? I have some
What's the difference between a pastor and a basketball?
A basketball doesn't feed you bullshit

What is scarier than a angry guy with a knife?
A angry guy with a knife that is a Christian

How many chrisians does it take to cure cancer?
All of them in combined prayer, but they end up dying anyways

I just thought of these lol
Must be my agnostic/atheist divination
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#26
RE: Pastor once told me we all naturally believe in god
Quote:Atheism says life has no purpose so what's the point in living?
Atheism has got nothing to do with it. Atheism simply means without theism. Got nothing to do with anything else. So no, atheism doesn't say 'there is no purpose'.

Quote:I have just this illness and I don't want o live, but too scared to suicide
I think its in the Christian/Catholic belief that if you commit suicide you forfeit heaven.

Quote:Btw u guys got anti Jesus jokes? I have some
What's the difference between a pastor and a basketball?
A basketball doesn't feed you bullshit
No, pastors always feed you shit. Only the uneducated/foolish think they talk sense.


Look after yourself and seek some professional help. Ok? Big Grin
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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#27
RE: Pastor once told me we all naturally believe in god
(June 7, 2012 at 10:05 am)zentor Wrote: I believe in God - im more of a universalist - but i belive in Jesus and that God fucked up the whole world - then sent jesus to fix thigns but got more fucked up

You should maybe hush and just believe in yourself.



Quote:but eitherway i cant take it anymore, i am going to take the final step and become an atheist (im agnostic now)

You can't believe in a deity and be an atheist at the same time. Atheists don't believe god is an asshole, because they don't believe in gods. I'm thinking you aren't making much sense. What is yet to be conclusively determined is whether or not it's intentional.



(June 7, 2012 at 10:46 am)zentor Wrote: So if theres no god, how should i as a atheist explain all the bad stuff that happens in world, and injustices like poeple getting killed and etc

People kill people. People do bad things. People are responsible for all that, just as you are responsible for your attitude and outlook on the world.

Quote:also what hope do i have? becaues theres no god, and this world is so full of BS, how do i know my future will be okay?

What are you, drunk? I thought you said you believed in god? Now there's no god? Do you even have a clue what you believe?

Quote:i could get hit by a car and die today!
or i could struggle through college for 4 yeras, and the day i graduate i could die from a drive by shooting.
can u see?

That's fucking life. Living life by the what if's gets you nowhere. Just live, move forward, accept life. Accept yourself.

Quote:theists can say though, if they die, its gods plan so they will be in heaven

Theists say a lot of stupid shit. You'd have a hard time finding one who'd be happily willing to die as their god has planned. They all go out kicking and screaming for their life if they can.

Quote:but its kinda depresssing as a atheist that this life is it - and i could get paralyzed tomorrow and spend rest of my life as a vegetable...and then die and rot in the ground

You could get paralyzed tomorrow and be a christian vegetable and then die and rot in the ground. So fucking what.

Quote:even though i know god hate sme, i beieve that after peopel die they get what they want

You're either a troll, a child, or a terribly confused individual.

Quote:i believe hardcore christians get to spend eternity praising god
atheists can not exist or choose to reincarnate or w/e they want

Both of those beliefs are irrational and baseless. Just sayin'.

Quote:personaly i just want to live the perfect life, where everythign is okay, no struggles no worries, and just party all day and video games that are easy but challenging enough to keep interest

So you want nothing to be interesting, nothing to build yourself some desperately needed character, and to be a waste of space? Weak. Maybe you need jesus, but I think a good doctor and some lithium might help more.

Seriously, you're very confusing. You believe in god, but you don't. Back and forth bullshit. I think you're looking for someone else to blame for your own misery.

Ever heard the phrase, "Life is what you make it."? Write it down and hang it on your wall.
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#28
RE: Pastor once told me we all naturally believe in god
(June 7, 2012 at 10:05 am)zentor Wrote: I believe in God

Then why are you calling yourself an agnostic.
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#29
RE: Pastor once told me we all naturally believe in god
Its hard to explain what i see, so its confusing to yall

i believe in a god - but i dont want to...and i believe he hates me, but for some reason i believe after i die i can bypass him and live my eternal life as i want.

and its not so much he hates me - because i believe he has saved me from troubles before

but i believe he likes to fuck with me,

ie: he will introduce me to a girl, then next day he says she has a boyfriend.

he will get me a interview at a job - then next day they select someone else

he will give a friend to talk to online - a month later he never comes online again
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#30
RE: Pastor once told me we all naturally believe in god
(June 7, 2012 at 12:11 pm)zentor Wrote: ie: he will introduce me to a girl, then next day he says she has a boyfriend.

he will get me a interview at a job - then next day they select someone else

he will give a friend to talk to online - a month later he never comes online again

I think we all have those moments. That doesn't mean we blame some imaginary friend for it.

Seriously, get some help.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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