Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?

[Epimethean]

By the way I didn't say that I knew to blame Satan, I said atheist need to.

Really? Here is a direct quote.

It's funny in a way and pitiful in others, atheist call christians stupid and deluded, yet we are the ones that are intelligent enough to know who to blame.

I can't tell if you're being willfully disingenuous or if you cannot convert short term memory into long term.

Ahem ... goldfish.

[dudeamis]

I think the problem with using the free will excuse for why god allows evil, is simply because there is no biblical support of free will. Paul says that God will have mercy on who he has mercy on and hardens who he will harden, to explain why the Jews didn't believe that Jesus is Christ. Their excuse is that God FORCED people to believe what they will believe like God FORCED Pharaoh to refuse letting the Israelites go despite the destruction happening to his country. Free will is a modern Christian myth.

[The Grand Nudger]

The problem with free will is biblical support? LOL, no, whether or not any given ridiculous excuse for an argument has biblical support is completely fucking meaningless.

[Brian37]

Kim Jung Un=obey absolute authority, no questions
Stalin=obey absolute authority, no questions
Hitler=obey absolute authority, no questions
God=obey absolute authority, no questions

None can be voted out of office. All have final authority over you. None have to ask for your consent to do anything to you. All invade your privacy and punish you for the slightest dissent and will hunt you down if you try to leave or associate with people who don't tow the party line. Will treat you fine and bribe you to kiss their asses, but will murder you if you step out of line.

The word for thee above DICTATOR.

[Godscreated]

By the way I didn't say that I knew to blame Satan, I said atheist need to.

Really? Here is a direct quote.

It's funny in a way and pitiful in others, atheist call christians stupid and deluded, yet we are the ones that are intelligent enough to know who to blame.

I can't tell if you're being willfully disingenuous or if you cannot convert short term memory into long term.

Now you're trying to make me look like a liar, it's you sir who is being deceitful, shame on you for such dishonesty. The last part of that statement says, Ourselves because we fall to the deceit of the great deceiver. So were in this does the statement say we/I blame Satan, you really should learn to see what has been written, you need to quit reading your beliefs into my statements.

[The Grand Nudger]

Why, if you care to explain, should atheists need to blame your fairies for anything GC?

[Epimethean]

GC, you cannot prove yourself not a liar until you stop making claims with absolute certainty about your sky wizard. You have no proof and no evidence for the existence or actions of this creature, yet you continue to talk as if you "know."

[dudeamis]

The problem with free will is biblical support? LOL, no, whether or not any given ridiculous excuse for an argument has biblical support is completely fucking meaningless.

*facepalm* missed my point. Good job. If a Christian wants to use excuse X, it has to be supported by their holy text. Free will is in no way supported by their holy text so it becomes a fallacy and therefore void.

Of course there is a meaning. By rooting out the fallacies within their religion they can no longer use those fallacies in their apologetics. Its easy and pointless to say its from the bible so its void, that will never force a Christian to abandon their apologetic. Its far better to show that it has no root in their religion in the first place, forcing them to abandon it.

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Really? Here is a direct quote.


I can't tell if you're being willfully disingenuous or if you cannot convert short term memory into long term.

Now you're trying to make me look like a liar, it's you sir who is being deceitful, shame on you for such dishonesty. The last part of that statement says, Ourselves because we fall to the deceit of the great deceiver. So were in this does the statement say we/I blame Satan, you really should learn to see what has been written, you need to quit reading your beliefs into my statements.

you were caught dude, stop breaking the 9th commandment already.

You do realize that Satan being an evil force was created for Christianity? There is no Jewish tradition that casts Satan as anything other than an angel working for God. Same with hell. In Jewish texts when you die to go to the grave, not Hell, not Heaven. Its amazing how much Christianity has strayed from Judaism. But not that much since the oldest Christian writer, Paul, despised The Law and contradicted Jesus so much on its importance.

[Undeceived]

You do realize that Satan being an evil force was created for Christianity? There is no Jewish tradition that casts Satan as anything other than an angel working for God.

Isaiah 14:12 says, "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee..."

The Book of Job also pits Satan against God. God boasts that no one is as righteous as Job, and Satan tries to prove him wrong. If this isn't good vs. evil, why is it in the Bible? What lesson would there be in God letting his angel (who confesses in Job 1:7 not to spend time in heaven) torture a human? Reading Job start to finish, it becomes clear that the story is meant to glorify God. Good vs. Evil is a main theme in the OT, and any Jew would tell you Satan personifies the Evil half.

Same with hell. In Jewish texts when you die to go to the grave, not Hell, not Heaven.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Old-Testamen...evers.html
These are verses that refer to "the grave", which at times seems to be the neutral earthly grave, and at others a place the people did not want to be.

But there is also an understanding that believers will live with God. David in Psalm 23 says, "I will dwell in the House of the Lord forever." Daniel 12:1-3 states that the dead will rise from the earth in the end--some to everlasting life, the rest to everlasting contempt. Psalm 73:24 reinforces, "You guide me with your counsel, and afterward you will take me into glory." Psalm 16:9-11 speaks about the faithful not decaying. Deuteronomy 30:11-16 mentions heaven and suggests that people who obey God will receive a reward. In Genesis 28:12, Jacob "had a dream in which he saw a stairway resting on the earth, with its top reaching to heaven, and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it." In all, the term 'heaven' appears 266 times in the Old Testament. Some refer to the sky, but then when believers are called to go to heaven it is clear the Bible means up, not down.

[Godscreated]

@ dudeamis, you should study scripture before making such unfounded remarks, Undeceived just gave you a taste of scriptural knowledge.