Fox Hunting

[Rhizomorph13]

My only question would be, "Are they good eatin'?"

[Autumnlicious]

Having rabies doesn't have anything to do with cuteness. Something can have rabies and still be cute. I ain't gonna hate on it for having a disease.

In all seriousness, I don't have a problem with foxes. They roam around these parts, but don't cause any trouble.

They are a real problem here Frankie(And you can blame pompous prats for that)

But the "Hunt" is just a wankfest for people with more money than brains.

Then having a brain, shouldn't you realize you can have them charged money?

You can use these idiots to finance pest control without necessarily paying for the upkeep of traps, etc,.

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The implied arguments earlier in this thread that condemns it for cruelty are silly.

It's all sentiment, not brains.

Damage/costs are good reasons to ban fox hunting. Corruption is another.

Feeling upset at a feral animal being killed is like feeling sorry for the sardine that ran into the dolphin...

As long as they have to chase the damn thing all over the country side, good riddance.

Wake me up when they shoot foxes in a barrel...

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We've always been a violent barbaric species who have no qualms killing our own, let alone animals of other species. We waste food and leave rubbish out on the streets that entices them to come into towns and cities, how can we expect them not to intrude into human populated areas?

You make it sound like we think, use our brains and attempt to do pest mitigation.

Regretfully we are always going to exterminate animals, especially when they cease being endangered "panda-oh-love-him-and-kiss-him status" and regain least concern status aka "pest-to-us-fucking-die status".

Why regretfully? I can think of hundreds to thousands of scenarios where an animal is exterminate by us humans, often without us noticing. Plowing a field, for example, will liquify any unfortunate rodent or gopher.

The least we can do is not hunt them which is a sport for the upper classes to get their sick kicks whereas pitbull fighting is a sport for the lower classes to get a daily fix.

Ah, the tired old bitch argument that hinges on total abolition.

Did you ever consider that taxing and regulating these things are the way to go?

People will always want to get their fix, right into the pocket book. But when the pocket book is empty...

But we won't. We won't even put them down "humanely" because we demand a gory bloodshed to revel in and satisfy our thirst for blood.

Excellent. I await an example of overt demand for bloodshed over established methods.

Take whales for example. They're peaceful to us. They're intelligent. They're endangered. Yet we ruthlessly hunt them anyway. We can't terminate a single one of them quickly or "humanely" because of their sheer size, resorting to violent methods such as exploding harpoons which is an awful bloody way to die.

Wait, wait, wait, wait!

I thought I was going to get an example of killing something in a less humane way when other alternatives are available!

Disappoint.

In any case, is there an easier way to kill a whale than blunt force trauma and massive blood loss?

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Foxes are an introduced species here in Australia,and considered vermin,to be exterminated. They are not usually hunted for sport.

The sport of fox hunting was banned in the England in 2004. The next year,other hunting sports were banned.

The Hunting Act 2004 (c 37) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom. The effect of the Act is to outlaw hunting with dogs (particularly fox hunting, but also the hunting of deer, hares and mink and organised hare coursing) in England and Wales from 18 February 2005. The pursuit of foxes with hounds was banned in Scotland two years earlier under legislation of the devolved Scottish Parliament, while it remains legal in Northern Ireland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting_Act_2004

Fox Hunting:the unspeakable chasing the uneatable (Oscar Wilde)

[Napoléon]

In any case, is there an easier way to kill a whale than blunt force trauma and massive blood loss?

Lethal injection derrrrp.

[Epimethean]

I'd rather hunt cats.

[frankiej]

I'd rather hunt cats.

NNNOOOOOOO! Don't kill the cats!!!

[Epimethean]

I didn't say I would kill them ...

[Welsh cake]

Ah, the tired old bitch argument that hinges on total abolition.

Did you ever consider that taxing and regulating these things are the way to go?

That'll just drive them underground, what with the aforementioned pitbull fighting.

Excellent. I await an example of overt demand for bloodshed over established methods.

All the cries and protests against the banning fox hunting? The middle classes were going apeshit at the time.

I thought I was going to get an example of killing something in a less humane way when other alternatives are available!

Less humane? I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. Hunting is not a humane form of pest control. Never has been. Never will be. You don't need me to tell you that though.

In any case, is there an easier way to kill a whale than blunt force trauma and massive blood loss?

The specifics of the method of euthanasia employed, I can't comment on Moros. Generally its a pain in the arse to put down, say a beached whale for example by minimising its suffering, usually by the time the decision is made the poor thing is steadily crushing itself under its own weight and already in agony from severe dehydration.

Regardless of the whatever methods are available to use to minimise the cetacean's suffering, that's not what the fucking whalers are doing as we speak, obviously.

[Autumnlicious]

I see a lot of platitudes, but no practical solutions. You still have yet to identify a method of effective pest control that is objectively better than the prior.

We can consider a few:
- Poison :: leaves residue and is a persistent threat to other creatures
- Sterile insect technique :: only works for insects
- application of birth control chemicals :: same issue like poison, caveat is that we'll not know what the bioaccumulation is
- ...?

In any case, short of delivering fatal blunt force trauma or blood loss, we're not terribly good at killing them critters.

Life doesn't like to die.

In any case, emotion emotion emotion.

You don't even have an action plan for dealing with a beached whale!

Given the choice between letting it suffer for hours under it's own crushing inevitable wait while you fetch the veternarian and then fret over the choice of neurotoxin or truck in sufficient loads of sedatives to stop it's heart, and quickly detonating the zone around it's heart, who is more humane?

Is it really humane to, given the current scenario above (until things change and there is a record/pattern established of beached whales being efficiently and quickly euthanized), force the whale to endure hours of suffering?

Methinks your definition of "humane" actually means "less bloody".

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Also, I thought it was abolition and threats that drove pit bull fighting underground, not regulation.

Can I have some data to update my potentially incorrect knowledge?

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Excellent. I await an example of overt demand for bloodshed over established methods.

All the cries and protests against the banning fox hunting? The middle classes were going apeshit at the time.

Ok, so you have an example of something you don't want, but no counter solution and no evidence to the efficacy, cost, and efficiency of dispatch.

You're constructive alright.

Less humane? I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. Hunting is not a humane form of pest control. Never has been. Never will be. You don't need me to tell you that though.

I take umbrage with that declaration, as it is unsupported and laden with emotional baggage.

The specifics of the method of euthanasia employed, I can't comment on Moros. Generally its a pain in the arse to put down, say a beached whale for example by minimising its suffering, usually by the time the decision is made the poor thing is steadily crushing itself under its own weight and already in agony from severe dehydration.

That's my entire point!

You don't know the alternatives.

So how can you advocate what you're advocating?

You're using emotional claims, declarations that are unsupported,
Regardless of the whatever methods are available to use to minimise the cetacean's suffering, that's not what the fucking whalers are doing as we speak, obviously.

[Anomalocaris]

Personally, I think it's a barbaric, archaic, primitive, disgusting, base, elitist and revolting excuse for sheer blood lust.

What about you?

Personally, I think collective interest of humanity is not served by the mental atittude required to outlaw it.

The interest of the foxes is trumped by the interest of men in not gratuitiously imposing his squeamishness upon his fellow men through the artiface of law.