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Facing the Morally Bad Future
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 (July 1, 2012 at 2:01 pm)Epimethean Wrote: http://agnosticreview.com/biblephilos.htm My view on the Bible can't be seen as a new denomination because I don't believe in God. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
You seem to like to dive in and out of coherency.
"I'm not going to bluntly say I don't believe ..."
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I believe he meant that he is not going to say to his friends that he doesn't believe. He didn't mean that as a general statement.
As for giving believers in the bible confidence in themselves, good luck with that. You'll pretty much have to change their entire worldview considering their whole sense of self-worth can only be discovered through their Christ.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
Ah, that could be it. Yes, that seems to be it, and I do second your well-wishing on what stands to be a rather uphill battle.
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It sounds like a tough thing to do, but it all depends on the individual. I told a really close friend already that I believe the Gospels were written as allegory. I avoided at all costs saying (or going into) the implication that Jesus didn't exist if it's allegory. He asked me how that's even possible and told me if I believed that e.g. Jesus healed the blind man. I told him 'yes' but not in the supernatural way because it took him two tries to do it. What does that sound like? Therapy! I told him that that is so much more tangible to me because then it means I have seen 'miracle workers' before. I'm of course talking about doctors and I asked him if he thought modern medicine was a miracle because it basically alters the natural path leading to death from disease to prolonged life.
We talked about this a month ago. He told me just last night that he wants to discuss prayer now. So I take it he's been thinking about some stuff pretty hard... "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
 (July 1, 2012 at 1:08 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: So, if you were to describe the Gospels in a sentence, what would you say? The absolute truth from our God, through His Son for our redemption into the family of God and show others the revealed mystery.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(July 2, 2012 at 12:14 am)Godschild Wrote:(July 1, 2012 at 1:08 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: So, if you were to describe the Gospels in a sentence, what would you say? Ok, perfect. Now.. This is where I start having problems already. If it's the absolute truth then what can be said about the known additions to the Gospels? Surely they aren't truthful. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
(July 2, 2012 at 12:50 am)FallentoReason Wrote:(July 2, 2012 at 12:14 am)Godschild Wrote: The absolute truth from our God, through His Son for our redemption into the family of God and show others the revealed mystery. Why?
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(July 2, 2012 at 4:27 pm)Godschild Wrote:(July 2, 2012 at 12:50 am)FallentoReason Wrote: Ok, perfect. Now.. This is where I start having problems already. If it's the absolute truth then what can be said about the known additions to the Gospels? Surely they aren't truthful. Because they had nothing to do with the 'original' message. What does a scribe's marginal notes 200 years after the events have to do with those people said to have been writing by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit? It's as if we were to grab your notes that you have jotted down over the course of your life as a Christian and add them to the Bible. Why not? "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
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