America's War on Drugs

[thesummerqueen]

That's funny - I've always heard that it's snorted off a pro's tit, meaning you have to be able to afford the hooker AND the blow.

I'll get to all this when I get home tonight.

[The Grand Nudger]

AND the lawyer.....what, is he supposed to waste away in jail like a crackhead? Nah.

[frankiej]

Only if he's never looked into it. Apparently he thinks that its the impoverished undesirables of the world consuming all that fucking cocaine....

Yup, all those poor people in the music industry...

[Jackalope]

That's funny - I've always heard that it's snorted off a pro's tit, meaning you have to be able to afford the hooker AND the blow.

Ahhh.... hookers and blow...


What? Oh I'm sorry, where were we? Was just daydreaming there.

[Napoléon]

Apparently he thinks that its the impoverished undesirables of the world consuming all that fucking cocaine....

I'll tell you right now, that shit ain't cheap.

[Jackalope]

Apparently he thinks that its the impoverished undesirables of the world consuming all that fucking cocaine....

I'll tell you right now, that shit ain't cheap.

You're telling me! Why, just yesterday I was having a lovely conversation with two hookers in a hotel room about the high price of that particular Peruvian export. It's shameful, reall.....



Wait....

Is that a microphone? You aren't recording this, are you?

[Tempus]

Is that a microphone? You aren't recording this, are you?

I. Did. Not. Have. Sexual. Relations. With that coke-kane.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

From Robin Williams

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpGtgZw5Z_U

[thesummerqueen]

I guess you can just call it bias when you can't say anything else.
Illicit drugs are not a matter of bias, friend.

Don’t be thick – your cultural bias is influencing what you say.

Even if the Chinese government would have taxed opium, what can you do with a country full of opium addicts?

You’re missing the point. China also lacked the facilities to provide safe places to do the drugs, treatment, research, education or anything else that goes with doing a dangerous activity. Also, tobacco is less dangerous of a drug, yet not everyone is addicted to it. We’re also taxing the fuck out of it.

The government exists there to protect the people from harm.

The government exists to provide services and protect liberties, not to act as your nanny.

Is it? Personal income comes from the income of your business. Why do you think that many people commit tax frauds? Besides, I'm sure that if legalized, drugs will be international, multi-trillion dollar businesses which will control politicians.

Not everyone owns a business. People commit it for all kinds of reasons. How politicians get funding and the fact that they receive too much is not a drug issue – it’s a legal issue that needs to be resolved no matter how they’re funded. They receive too much as it is while drugs are illegal.

But taxing them too low will make them accessible to every strata of society. Drugs are a lose-lose game, both legal and illegal.

Again, I didn’t realize that we were discriminating against the poor here – better make sure someone like me who barely rakes in $1600 a month can buy drugs! And god help the poor schmucks who make less than that!

Meaning that you're okay with illicit drugs being sold at stores and markets. This will eliminate the losses that drug barons have to keep up with during the current drug laws, and turn into better profits for them, while they will probably get into advertising and other things to make poison more desirable and of course, used more extensively by others.

1) Some people only do not use them because the thing is illegal. In fact, I suspect a lot of people are that way. Advertising isn’t pulling people in at this point, it’s merely letting them know it’s available.
2) Yes I’m okay with that. They’re illicit because they’re illegal now. You can purchase several drugs right off the shelves that will cause the same effects if used by themselves or in tandem with other substances already bought off the shelves. What’s making these bad boys so “bad”.

Who are you to worry? Besides, it's not you who is going to do anything. You'll probably be too fucked by drugs to care, whereas other countries who do not want poison to be legal will be forced by other countries to make it legal. Just like they were forced to make it illegal.

You’re not answering the question: what on earth makes you think anyone’s forcing anyone else to make them legal? We’re not under a One World Gov’t yet. Why on earth would the West give a shit about whether or not the East made drugs legal? That’s for your people to decide – we have an economy to fix and abortion to decide on. If you don’t want drugs, then keep them illegal. If you don’t want a black market, better start cracking down – people want it, they’ll get it. The drug czars in Mexico don’t risk coming up here or pressure us to make it legal because they’re creating a market – it already exists and has for time immemorial. People have been fucking themselves up on purpose with whatever was available for a long, long time. That’s not your decision to impose on anyone else.

Enjoy your joint. I'm not really concerned with a small amount of individuals using drugs.
This still does not change the fact that illicit drugs have a great potential to be the greatest of social ills if they were to be legal for sale and production.
My moral standards are bent on keeping society clean in general, cherishing what is good and useful, while ousting what is harmful and useless.

Potential is not actuality, and you just contradicted yourself because you can’t make it legal for individuals, yet deny society – society is made up of individuals. What you want is for it to be okay to magically have the joint, yet not for people to grow or sell the marijuana. It doesn’t make sense. There’s some law like that here in the US about poppy seeds – I think I can grow the plants but god help me if I keep the seeds from season to season.
Also, I don’t smoke. I just don’t believe that people who want to light up in the privacy of their home should be criminalized for it.
Also, I expect there to be laws like there are for alcohol – don’t let people drive after consumption of certain substances. That’s common sense. We’re not sanctioning letting people act like animals, but we are providing them with the freedom to do as they like without hurting others.

However when people began to use them to fill gaps in their leisure time, or when these drugs forced leisure time to take over parts of a person's work, study and social life, they were deemed to be dangerous, and were illegalized.

Boohoo on that person. Facebook does the same thing: better make that illegal as well.

Humans are humans alright, but not every human is the same as the other. Some are above others with the way they behave, and are treated accordingly by others.

So you agree with me – not everyone is the same, and not all drug users are created equal either. Some people are dumbshits. Should we all be punished for them? I think not.

But church and cartoons do not give you the same amount of pleasure as a psychedelic and hallucinogenic drug.

Depends on your cup of tea.

If it has medicinal benefits, it should not be dispensed to people who are in need of these benefits in a cigarette, but in pills, tablets and other means of methods, like other forms of medicine.
As I said, many other illicit drugs have some sort of medicinal significance.

Some people find smoking it a much more effective means of dispersal through the body – don’t make medical judgments. You still have to legalize it first, but you seem to be waffling about it.

Was it not? Which point in time was that I wonder.

Seems like before monotheism came around – you seem to equate “use” with “overdose” all the time.

Social collapse. If such drugs were to be too popular with the public, they would cause people to neglect real life in favor of the artifical induced happiness. Is it not what most addicts do? They form their lives around the drug.

Not all of us are addicts or have addictive personalities. I realize it’s hard to understand that a whole society is not reflected by a small percentage of its population, but try to understand. I heard from Germans all the time that Turks are assholes – I try to think that most of them are as well behaved as you’d have us believe instead.
I barely have time to watch TV shows regularly – I have shit to do. Most of us are the same way in regards to drugs.

People who are addicts are in a state worse than death. They have really nothing else to live for than the drug. The drug is their life.

Except they’re still alive. Not all drug users are addicts, again. Addicts can get help.

If I had never started it, I would have never thought of smoking.

I think about doing all sorts of things, but I also think of the consequences. I also stopped doing things once I figured out the consequences, or changed how I did them. You’re quite able to quit, you know.

Really? Explain.

People who decide they know what’s best for others can’t ever really know and thus make those others angry, resentful and you can’t control what other people want to do once they set their minds to it. By playing the denial game instead of the education game, you make a thing far more seductive solely by being taboo.

Then go and smoke marijuana with your father and mother.
If they refuse, bicker at them for being such squares and how beer and marijuana is on the same level.

I just told you, I can’t and don’t smoke because I have a smoke allergy, but I have had the conversation with both of my parents. They are free to make their decisions. Since the stuff is illegal, and both of them work in federal and municipal government, they chose to stay legal, and rightly so. My point is that people sit down to enjoy a drug together for many reasons, including bonding time.

I am always sober when I am doing something that is related to my studies, line of work and etc. Even while doing casual things like gamig, I'm not really sure how partaking in drugs is going to positively affect your performance. Besides, I've said this in response to the post that stated that marijuana supposedly increases productivity in someone. I'm fairly curious how many of my professors have done their theses while being under the influence of any drug.
These things only serve to glorify something beyond what it really is.
It's really pathetic, I think.

Your experiences aren’t everyone else’s. And I know several people who toke up while pondering their thesis work. You seem to be ignoring all the anecdotal data I have about successful people using drugs. They aren’t addictive personalities, and the drugs enhance their life the way desserts and stimulants and sex do.

As much as heroin and cocaine.

No, actually, more so. Please go do some research.

I think we're going nowhere with this. I can't get you people to understand, that marijuana does not have the same accessibility and popularity as alcohol, for good reason. If it did, people would stop using alcohol, and alcohol would be considered less dangerous.

I could only hope that people would spend their Friday nights getting high on their couches with friends rather than getting blitzed at a bar and then driving around town.

What other ways but smoking does the generic stoner have?
Yes, you can put into cakes and etc. What else?

Brownies, butter, inhalers, vaporizers, etc. This is all accessible with google.

The only reason why you think that it ought to be legal for sale is becuase you don't really care about it's outcomes. It's always about you, you want to have better access to cheaper and better quality drugs to get high. Anything else is not really a concern for you.

No, I don’t do drugs – not those anyway. I’m even reducing my coffee intake. I just don’t think other people have to live by my strictures.

Personal legalisation does not put a legal responsibility not to use the drug on the person who uses it. Meaning, the user is not punished for simply using the drug. The people who sell and produce it are the perpetrators, whereas the user is the victim.

Only in unregulated, uneducated markets.

The government helps to better poison his people.

Governments get overthrown for less. Power only works when you have a mostly healthy society to keep you in office.

I believe that has more to do with your social standing than how well your friend controls himself.

I’ll be sure to pass along what you think about his control abilities and reasons – I wish you could hear his Southern accent thicken as he tells you to kiss his dick.

Many others can afford that, when they cannot afford other things.

I think you’d rather just assume the “less fortunate” are lazy drug-using layabouts.

I'm not really concerned with your symptoms.

I’ve realized this by now – you’re only concerned with how you think everyone else should act based on what you’ve experienced.

For now, drugs in general see regular use within lower classes.

No, lower classes get caught more and it’s publicized more. The rich can pay off lawyers and hide their usage.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Don’t be thick – your cultural bias is influencing what you say.

Indeed, and usually wrong (like Mehmet with his misinformation and cultural prejudices on many things)

The government exists there to protect the people from harm.

What a quaint notion. There is a limit to which any government can or should go to protect people from their self destructive behavior.

The issue of drugs should be about health, not law or politics . The issue has been treated as a legal and poliltical one for over 60 years.Look how well THAT has worked out..

Oh,if taken in consistent, chemically pure doses,in sterile conditions, heroin is NOT a dangerous drug.

As for the really nasty drugs,such as crack cocaine, criminalisation HAS NOT WORKED. Time to legalise ,focus on harm minimalisation and save the community many millions of dollars and many lives.

I have no interest in the smug moralising of the bourgeoisie or religious wowsers of any kind. I am interested in what works,in the best interest of the greatest number.The current system does not deliver that simple goal.