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My debate in Christian Forums in full swing
September 9, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Hi,
My formal debate in Christian Forums is now underway. Here is the link: http://www.christianforums.com/t7685355/
Everyone is welcome. But you can't post in that thread because it's fully moderated and it's only for debate participants. There's a peanut gallery. It's in the first post by the moderator.
Cheers,
greneknight 
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RE: My debate in Christian Forums in full swing
September 9, 2012 at 7:00 pm
I remember looking at xtian forums once before. I found their fucking "blessings" nauseating.
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RE: My debate in Christian Forums in full swing
September 9, 2012 at 7:04 pm
(September 9, 2012 at 6:25 pm)greneknight Wrote: Hi,
My formal debate in Christian Forums is now underway. Here is the link: http://www.christianforums.com/t7685355/
Everyone is welcome. But you can't post in that thread because it's fully moderated and it's only for debate participants. There's a peanut gallery. It's in the first post by the moderator.
Cheers,
greneknight
Not bad, I especially liked prayer,which does seem a little at odds with your stated beliefs.
To think I thought you were guileless.
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RE: My debate in Christian Forums in full swing
September 9, 2012 at 7:37 pm
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RE: My debate in Christian Forums in full swing
September 9, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Quote:But my understanding of God allows for me to pray that prayer.
Really? I seem to remember you stating you do not believe in a supreme being. But then, I'm old and easily confused, I probably misremembered. 
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RE: My debate in Christian Forums in full swing
September 9, 2012 at 7:47 pm
@ greneknight: That's interesting. I'll probably stay tuned to that.
But, here's one thing which I found to contradict with your stated belief (as padraic mentioned as well).
In this forum, you told me:
Quote:For me personally, although I'm an altar boy, I can't accept in my head a supernatural being. I think of God as a metaphor for goodness but he (although we use a personal pronoun and that's purely language), does not exist as an entity any more than goodness exists as an entity.
But, in that forum, you wrote:
Quote:One point we should note is that Jesus himself is God. Jesus was the one the rich young ruler directed his “good teacher” at. Strictly speaking, Jesus is good because he is God.
In the former, you said that you think of God only as a metaphor for goodness and that he doesn't exist as an entity. In the latter (in the other forum), you're saying that Jesus himself is God, which logically negates your belief that God is just a metaphor since you know that Jesus is not a metaphor, but a living entity.
Just wanted to know how you would reconcile the two statements above.
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RE: My debate in Christian Forums in full swing
September 9, 2012 at 7:49 pm
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I thought the same. I had even queried the belief in christ but not in god.
Maybe he thought we would not read the link. 
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RE: My debate in Christian Forums in full swing
September 9, 2012 at 7:57 pm
(September 9, 2012 at 7:42 pm)padraic Wrote: Quote:But my understanding of God allows for me to pray that prayer.
Really? I seem to remember you stating you do not believe in a supreme being. But then, I'm old and easily confused, I probably misremembered.
(September 9, 2012 at 7:47 pm)Rayaan Wrote: @ greneknight: That's interesting. I'll probably stay tuned to that.
But, here's one thing which I found to contradict with your stated belief (as padraic mentioned as well).
In this forum, you told me:
Quote:For me personally, although I'm an altar boy, I can't accept in my head a supernatural being. I think of God as a metaphor for goodness but he (although we use a personal pronoun and that's purely language), does not exist as an entity any more than goodness exists as an entity.
But, in that forum, you wrote:
Quote:One point we should note is that Jesus himself is God. Jesus was the one the rich young ruler directed his “good teacher” at. Strictly speaking, Jesus is good because he is God.
In the former, you said that you think of God only as a metaphor for goodness and that he doesn't exist as an entity. In the latter (in the other forum), you're saying that Jesus himself is God, which logically negates your belief that God is just a metaphor since you know that Jesus is not a metaphor, but a living entity.
Just wanted to know how you would reconcile the two statements above.
Hi Rayaan and Padraic,
I will answer both your questions here. My beliefs are of course fluid and they are still developing. A lot of what I have decided now as my "final" beliefs are actually quite new and you'll be surprised to know how recent some of my beliefs are. So what I'm going to say now is what my views are at this moment.
God is a metaphor for goodness and truth. Culturally, I'm a Christian and the metaphor takes the shape of the Holy Trinity. Jesus is a crucial element in the metaphor. Jesus is God and He is good. How is this inconsistent with what I believe in and why would there be a need for reconciling anything?
The problem comes with most people because they have a DIFFERENT understanding of "God". So, when I say, "Jesus is God", they take Jesus to be an entity and God to be another real entity.
A lot of misunderstanding is definitional. I happen to define God in a very different way from most people.
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RE: My debate in Christian Forums in full swing
September 9, 2012 at 7:58 pm
(September 9, 2012 at 7:47 pm)Rayaan Wrote: Just wanted to know how you would reconcile the two statements above.
Well he said to me he has to try and be more 'true christian' on those forums so as not to be banned or called out on there.
I'm guessing he's just saying certain things like that so they don't call him no true christian.
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RE: My debate in Christian Forums in full swing
September 9, 2012 at 8:02 pm
(September 9, 2012 at 7:58 pm)Napoléon Wrote: (September 9, 2012 at 7:47 pm)Rayaan Wrote: Just wanted to know how you would reconcile the two statements above.
Well he said to me he has to try and be more 'true christian' on those forums so as not to be banned or called out on there.
I'm guessing he's just saying certain things like that so they don't call him no true christian.
In Christian Forums, they try to accommodate all Christians and they don't allow fundies to call people like me a non-Christian. Under their rules, as long as a person accepts the Nicene Creed, he's a Christian. Come on, as an altar boy, I grew up on the Nicene Creed. I can say it backwards while holding on to a huge, heavy silver candlestick, which is what I have always carried as an altar boy and I've always complained about because large cathedrals usually have very large candlesticks and they're really heavy. I really wish they could use fake silver. It'd be lighter.
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