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Hundreds of proofs of nothing!
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I get the feeling that list was though up by an atheist as a way of summarising the sorts of arguments that get brought up by theists. It wasn't actually theists that made the list as a way of proving god.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
 RE: Hundreds of proofs of nothing!
September 3, 2012 at 12:59 am
(This post was last modified: September 3, 2012 at 1:40 am by Oldandeasilyconfused.)
Quote:I believe in faith. If one believes in something, it is real for him. Quite probably. There is a Christian sect in the US in which members believe snakes cannot harm them. A gratifying number have died from snake bite (photos with link)  Quote:Snake handling or serpent handling is a religious ritual in a small number of Pentecostal churches in the U.S., usually characterized as rural and part of the Holiness movement. The practice began in the early 20th century in Appalachia, spreading to mostly coal mining towns. The practice plays only a small part of the church service of churches that practice snake handling. Practitioners believe serpent handling dates to antiquity and quote the Book of Mark and the Book of Luke to support the practice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_handling  FallentoReason Wrote:I get the feeling that list was though up by an atheist as a way of summarising the sorts of arguments that get brought up by theists. It wasn't actually theists that made the list as a way of proving god. ^ This. When have you ever heard a theist actually refer to their argument as "God of the Gaps?"
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
if god doesn't exist why are there so many religions? seems to me like they are all trying to tell people about god yet have trouble finding the right truth (christianity)
 
Belief has fuck all to do with reality. This 'its real for him' is logically pointless. Its no point getting the pest controllers in because your 4 year old thinks there are monsters under the bed' its true for him' means nothing. he belives something that isn;t true.
there is a reality out there whether we like it or not.  Quote:And maybe you can tell me what reality tells these people. That there is no God? Reality should tell them that there is no evidence for any god. Even their own.  (September 8, 2012 at 11:03 pm)Mikethechristian Wrote: if god doesn't exist why are there so many religions? seems to me like they are all trying to tell people about god yet have trouble finding the right truth (christianity) You really need some logic beating in to you.
If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. - J.R.R Tolkien
 (September 2, 2012 at 6:51 pm)padraic Wrote: Far too many people believe that 'logically valid' is a synonym for 'true'. Don't they know that 'logic' doesn't actually 'prove' anything? It's a philosophical concept, not a tool like the scientific method. The things they try to get a little support for their crazy beliefs heh?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity. Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist. You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.  RE: Hundreds of proofs of nothing!
September 12, 2012 at 12:10 pm
(This post was last modified: September 12, 2012 at 12:23 pm by Simon Moon.)
(September 2, 2012 at 5:53 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: I look beyond such arguments. I believe in faith. If one believes in something, it is real for him. If one believes that one thing does not exist, it does not exist for him. It all comes down to faith. If you wish to see truth in these arguments, you will see truth. If you wish to see fallacies, you will see them. It all comes down to where your faith is directed to. There are only 3 ways in which something can be said to exist. 1. As a concept of language. 2. As a concept of mind. 3. In reality. So, when you say that, "if someone has faith that something exists, it exists (for them)", in which of the above ways does it exist for them? You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence. |
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