To the Moderators, please!

[Reforged]

Folksies!!!!

Sir Greneknight of the Round Table and Sir RaphielDrake will be fighting a battle in the Formal Debate section. Come one, come all to witness the BATTLE OF THE CENTURY!!!

We're ironing out the details at the moment!!!!!!

For fuck sake Grene. We discussed this. Please drop the knight thing and stop announcing everything before it happens.
Its just silly. If you have to do it at least don't rope me into the whole roleplay thing.
Seriously, I'm not into it.

But yeah. One on one debate over the definition of Christianity sounds fine.
Just waiting for you to confirm with Tibs and it should be set.
Unlikely much will happen tonight becauses its 12 here and I've got alot of work to do.

[System of Solace]

Folksies!!!!

Sir Greneknight of the Round Table and Sir RaphielDrake will be fighting a battle in the Formal Debate section. Come one, come all to witness the BATTLE OF THE CENTURY!!!

We're ironing out the details at the moment!!!!!!

[greneknight]

Folksies!!!!

Sir Greneknight of the Round Table and Sir RaphielDrake will be fighting a battle in the Formal Debate section. Come one, come all to witness the BATTLE OF THE CENTURY!!!

We're ironing out the details at the moment!!!!!!

For fuck sake Grene. We discussed this. Please drop the knight thing and stop announcing everything before it happens.
Its just silly. If you have to do it at least don't rope me into the whole roleplay thing.
Seriously, I'm not into it.

But yeah. One on one debate over the definition of Christianity sounds fine.
Just waiting for you to confirm with Tibs and it should be set.
Unlikely much will happen tonight becauses its 12 here and I've got alot of work to do.

I've written to you but since you are here, I'll just address you here. You suggested "The definition of Christianity" but that is too broad and it doesn't seem to advocate anything so it's not suitable as a debate topic.

As you will recall, the reason for this debate is I called myself a CHristian and you objected to that. So you are saying it's not legitimate for me to call myself a CHristian if I don't believe in a God being which I don't. I have made it clear I reject the supernatural entirely.

So the motion of the debate should read:

"It is not legitimate for a person who does not believe in the supernatural to call himself a Christian".

You will propose the motion and I'll oppose it. We'll use an assortment of medieval weapons.

If you are agreeable to that, let's decide on the other details eg timing. I am ok with that - it depends on what kind of timing you want. How many rounds should each party have?

Oh, this is so exciting!!!! Finally, Sir Greneknight gets to go into battle. My battle horse was getting tired of the inaction.

For God and Queen!

Sir Greneknight, Knight of the Round Table.

[Reforged]

For fuck sake Grene. We discussed this. Please drop the knight thing and stop announcing everything before it happens.
Its just silly. If you have to do it at least don't rope me into the whole roleplay thing.
Seriously, I'm not into it.

But yeah. One on one debate over the definition of Christianity sounds fine.
Just waiting for you to confirm with Tibs and it should be set.
Unlikely much will happen tonight becauses its 12 here and I've got alot of work to do.

I've written to you but since you are here, I'll just address you here. You suggested "The definition of Christianity" but that is too broad and it doesn't seem to advocate anything so it's not suitable as a debate topic.

As you will recall, the reason for this debate is I called myself a CHristian and you objected to that. So you are saying it's not legitimate for me to call myself a CHristian if I don't believe in a God being which I don't. I have made it clear I reject the supernatural entirely.

So the motion of the debate should read:

"It is not legitimate for a person who does not believe in the supernatural to call himself a Christian".

You will propose the motion and I'll oppose it. We'll use an assortment of medieval weapons.

If you are agreeable to that, let's decide on the other details eg timing. I am ok with that - it depends on what kind of timing you want. How many rounds should each party have?

Oh, this is so exciting!!!! Finally, Sir Greneknight gets to go into battle. My battle horse was getting tired of the inaction.

For God and Queen!

Sir Greneknight, Knight of the Round Table.

Ok well now your just making statements we haven't even discussed and giving topics we didn't agree on. I thought "The definition of Christianity" or "My Religion" were perfectly valid, unbiased topics with alot of wiggling room.
Could you please stop releasing statements we didn't agree upon?
Infact could we actually stop making this public until the actual debate is decided and started?
This is seriously just cringe making.

If you want to know how the debates work go over to the debate rules section. I've already sent a message to Tibs and he'll be needing confirmation from yourself.
I've set the time limit for each answer at 3 days.

I'm going to sleep now. -.-

[System of Solace]

As you will recall, the reason for this debate is I called myself a CHristian and you objected to that. So you are saying it's not legitimate for me to call myself a CHristian if I don't believe in a God being which I don't. I have made it clear I reject the supernatural entirely.

So the motion of the debate should read:

"It is not legitimate for a person who does not believe in the supernatural to call himself a Christian".

You will propose the motion and I'll oppose it. We'll use an assortment of medieval weapons.

If you are agreeable to that, let's decide on the other details eg timing. I am ok with that - it depends on what kind of timing you want. How many rounds should each party have?

Oh, this is so exciting!!!! Finally, Sir Greneknight gets to go into battle. My battle horse was getting tired of the inaction.

For God and Queen!

Sir Greneknight, Knight of the Round Table.

Great, I have diabetes now.

greneknight Wrote:
I don't care what the Bible says because the Bible is a seriously flawed collection of ancient books.
Yes, the film "God on Trial" is extremely moving. With each utterance, God is buried deeper and deeper in his own sin, evil and degradation.
I don't think I "believe" in Christianity. I just accept it because I was raised a Christian.

A quick search through your threads and posts shows a lot of contrast. How are you a Christian if you don't believe in Christianity nor do you believe in the supernatural (i.e. God, Jesus)?

Oh wait, you've said yourself that you're still a Christian not because you believe in God but because you were raised that way and it's cultural. And you have a nice feeling in church. And you know what? You're not a Christian. You're somebody who doesn't believe in God and doesn't accept the bible as truth but claims to be a Christian. THEN, we have you saying you enjoy watching WLC destroy people in arguments, but later say he lies.

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For me personally, although I'm an altar boy, I can't accept in my head a supernatural being. I think of God as a metaphor for goodness but he (although we use a personal pronoun and that's purely language), does not exist as an entity any more than goodness exists as an entity.

But, in that forum, you wrote:
Quote:
One point we should note is that Jesus himself is God. Jesus was the one the rich young ruler directed his “good teacher” at. Strictly speaking, Jesus is good because he is God.

In the former, you said that you think of God only as a metaphor for goodness and that he doesn't exist as an entity. In the latter (in the other forum), you're saying that Jesus himself is God, which logically negates your belief that God is just a metaphor since you know that Jesus is not a metaphor, but a living entity.

Just wanted to know how you would reconcile the two statements above.

^Said by Rayaan. Your response then made no sense.

"But they would expect me to go through the rituals as a part of tradition and culture. That's precisely how I see Christianity anyway."




tl;dr You're claiming to be a Christian because it's tradition. Like it's meaningless. You've said that God is just a metaphor and that the bible is full of shit. You don't believe in the supernatural, but you say Jesus is God, contrasting your previous claim that God is a metaphor.

[greneknight]

I've written to you but since you are here, I'll just address you here. You suggested "The definition of Christianity" but that is too broad and it doesn't seem to advocate anything so it's not suitable as a debate topic.

As you will recall, the reason for this debate is I called myself a CHristian and you objected to that. So you are saying it's not legitimate for me to call myself a CHristian if I don't believe in a God being which I don't. I have made it clear I reject the supernatural entirely.

So the motion of the debate should read:

"It is not legitimate for a person who does not believe in the supernatural to call himself a Christian".

You will propose the motion and I'll oppose it. We'll use an assortment of medieval weapons.

If you are agreeable to that, let's decide on the other details eg timing. I am ok with that - it depends on what kind of timing you want. How many rounds should each party have?

Oh, this is so exciting!!!! Finally, Sir Greneknight gets to go into battle. My battle horse was getting tired of the inaction.

For God and Queen!

Sir Greneknight, Knight of the Round Table.

Ok well now your just making statements we haven't even discussed and giving topics we didn't agree on. I thought "The definition of Christianity" or "My Religion" were perfectly valid, unbiased topics with alot of wiggling room.
Could you please stop releasing statements we didn't agree upon?
Infact could we actually stop making this public until the actual debate is decided and started?
This is seriously just cringe making.

If you want to know how the debates work go over to the debate rules section. I've already sent a message to Tibs and he'll be needing confirmation from yourself.
I've set the time limit for each answer at 3 days.

I'm going to sleep now. -.-

To my worthy Opponent, Sir RaphielDrake,

The motion for a debate cannot merely be "My Religion" or "The Definition of Christianity". It must take a stand so there can be a proposer of the motion and an Opposing party. Don't forget that we need a proposing party and an opposing party. You can ask older knights about this. I have fought many battles and have old battle scars to prove this, so you should take my word for it.

I would suggest a simple proposition eg. "Christianity necessitates a belief in the supernatural" and I beg leave, my fellow knight, to oppose the motion. It is a simple enough motion but it draws the battle lines clearly.

If you approve this, please send a missive to me by pigeon and I will beseech His Majesty Tiberius to make available for our use the Gladiators' Arena whereat we may proceed to do fierce battle to defend honour and the truth.

In the meanwhile, Sir, I beg to remain

Your Honourable and Worthy Opponent,

Sir Greneknight, a valiant Knight of the Order of the Round Table.

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Great, I have diabetes now.

You can't blame me for that. Cut down on the sugar.

greneknight Wrote:
I don't care what the Bible says because the Bible is a seriously flawed collection of ancient books.
Yes, the film "God on Trial" is extremely moving. With each utterance, God is buried deeper and deeper in his own sin, evil and degradation.
I don't think I "believe" in Christianity. I just accept it because I was raised a Christian.

A quick search through your threads and posts shows a lot of contrast. How are you a Christian if you don't believe in Christianity nor do you believe in the supernatural (i.e. God, Jesus)?

Oh wait, you've said yourself that you're still a Christian not because you believe in God but because you were raised that way and it's cultural. And you have a nice feeling in church. And you know what? You're not a Christian. You're somebody who doesn't believe in God and doesn't accept the bible as truth but claims to be a Christian. THEN, we have you saying you enjoy watching WLC destroy people in arguments, but later say he lies.

Everything you said above is correct. But you are wrong to say I enjoy watching WLC destroy people in arguments. I may be surprised to see him destroying some people's arguments but I don't enjoy it. I would like very much to be able to engage in a debate with WLC and I believe, unworthy though I may be in the debating arena, I should be able to tear him to bits. I have never praised WLC. You can search all my posts anywhere on the internet. I have always expressed nothing but utter contempt for WLC. WLC is a liar, a fool, a bigot and an arrogant pig. I am assuming WLC is the village idiot William Lane Craig.

Quote:
For me personally, although I'm an altar boy, I can't accept in my head a supernatural being. I think of God as a metaphor for goodness but he (although we use a personal pronoun and that's purely language), does not exist as an entity any more than goodness exists as an entity.

But, in that forum, you wrote:
Quote:
One point we should note is that Jesus himself is God. Jesus was the one the rich young ruler directed his “good teacher” at. Strictly speaking, Jesus is good because he is God.

In the former, you said that you think of God only as a metaphor for goodness and that he doesn't exist as an entity. In the latter (in the other forum), you're saying that Jesus himself is God, which logically negates your belief that God is just a metaphor since you know that Jesus is not a metaphor, but a living entity.

Just wanted to know how you would reconcile the two statements above.

Because God is a metaphor for goodness, of course Jesus is God. That means Jesus is goodness. But let's be clear here. Jesus is the concept of a good chappie painted and created by the church. I'm not defending the historicity of Jesus. Although I think he probably did exist, I can't be certain nor do I care. But the image of Jesus created by the church is what I'm talking about because there, I was referring to a Gospel passage. I'll give you an example. If Goldilocks is a metaphor for INNOCENCE, and I say Little Red Riding Hood is Goldilocks, what I'm saying is that the character in that story is innocent. I'm not saying Little Red Riding Hood or Goldilocks is a true historical figure. I hope that is clear. It's hard for some people to understand this because they are too used to living with people who think Little Red Riding Hood and Goldilocks are ACTUAL divine beings.

^Said by Rayaan. Your response then made no sense.

"But they would expect me to go through the rituals as a part of tradition and culture. That's precisely how I see Christianity anyway."

tl;dr You're claiming to be a Christian because it's tradition. Like it's meaningless. You've said that God is just a metaphor and that the bible is full of shit. You don't believe in the supernatural, but you say Jesus is God, contrasting your previous claim that God is a metaphor.

I have already explained this. God is a metaphor for goodness. Let me pick a more mature example than Little Red Riding Hood. If I say Cordelia in King Lear is God, I'm not saying God really exists or Cordelia really existed.

I hope this is clear to you. Soon, you may follow my battle with Sir RaphielDrake.

With that, Sir, I take your leave and I remain

Yours in service to the Queen,

Sir Greneknight of the Order of the Round Table

[Lion IRC]

* Lion IRC tries not to laugh.

[greneknight]

* Lion IRC tries not to laugh.

I don't believe there's a law against cowards laughing. Don't forget, Lion. You suggested a few Christians debating with me alone and I agreed to it. Then Godschild fled and you fled with him. I suggest you call yourself "Pussycat IRC". It will always be a blot on your honour that you ran away from a debate with a 13 year old. You, godschild and the whole pack of Christian cowards. Thank God for atheists like RaphielDrake, without whom me and my battle horse would be bored stiff.

Peasant, you may sit in the peasants' gallery and watch real knights fight!!!

[Reforged]

Just... fuck me... I need a drink.
I mean thanks very much for... thanking God but why would you tell me not to joke about your age then mention it here frequently?
Thats just counter-productive, you have to know you've just made that fair game for others.

For your own sake will please just stop posting on this thread before it turns into a "lets fuck with greneknight" thread. Seriously.
Tiberius suggested another subject and said he'd be glad to moderate which I agree with and I have forwarded you the mail to respond to.

[greneknight]

Just... fuck me... I need a drink.
I mean thanks very much for... thanking God but why would you tell me not to joke about your age then mention it here frequently?
Thats just counter-productive, you have to know you've just made that fair game for others.

For your own sake will please just stop posting on this thread before it turns into a "lets fuck with greneknight" thread. Seriously.
Tiberius suggested another subject and said he'd be glad to moderate which I agree with and I have forwarded you the mail to respond to.

My worthy Opponent,

It gives me great honour to inform you that I have this day conveyed to Tiberius a confirmation that our battle should begin forthwith. I wish you safety and good health, Sir and I beg to remain

Your honourable Opponent in Battle,

Sir Greneknight of the Round Table