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RE: Professor's Proposition: Only Two Logical Choices
September 26, 2012 at 3:50 pm
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(September 26, 2012 at 3:43 pm)Tiberius Wrote: ...
I go further still, and argue that it is impossible for humans to ever know (in an absolute sense) anything. ...
I've heard this before, and in some ways it makes sense, but how is that not a self refuting statement? Aren't you effectively saying that "you know that you can't know anything"?
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RE: Professor's Proposition: Only Two Logical Choices
September 26, 2012 at 6:41 pm
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(September 26, 2012 at 2:37 pm)Blackrook Wrote: So its really impossible to argue with Blackrook, because he recycles the same debunked arguments and make generalizations about groups based on the actions of one.
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RE: Professor's Proposition: Only Two Logical Choices
September 26, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Quote:But the big clincher for me is the Miracle of the Sun at Fatima. I looked into that and there is no way to explain how 70,000 people could be affected by a "mass hypnosis" which is the usual atheist explanation for this even.
I think I can spot; 1 argument from incredulity, and 1 non written non-sequitur. Even though it isn't written, it is obvious what this sentence implies.
No way to explain how 70,000 people could be affected by "mass hypnosis", therefore Catholic God. Solid logic, son.
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RE: Professor's Proposition: Only Two Logical Choices
September 26, 2012 at 8:46 pm
(September 26, 2012 at 3:50 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: I've heard this before, and in some ways it makes sense, but how is that not a self refuting statement? Aren't you effectively saying that "you know that you can't know anything"? No. I said I argue that, not that I know it to be true. It is a belief, just as everything else is a belief. I can back it up with logical evidence though, which is why I believe it to be true. By the argument itself though, I do not know whether my argument is true or not.
To think of it another way, it is perfectly possible for one of my beliefs to be absolutely true. However, given that I am a fallible being, I have no way of knowing whether any of my beliefs are absolutely true.
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RE: Professor's Proposition: Only Two Logical Choices
September 26, 2012 at 9:00 pm
(September 26, 2012 at 8:46 pm)Tiberius Wrote: (September 26, 2012 at 3:50 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: I've heard this before, and in some ways it makes sense, but how is that not a self refuting statement? Aren't you effectively saying that "you know that you can't know anything"? No. I said I argue that, not that I know it to be true. It is a belief, just as everything else is a belief. I can back it up with logical evidence though, which is why I believe it to be true. By the argument itself though, I do not know whether my argument is true or not.
To think of it another way, it is perfectly possible for one of my beliefs to be absolutely true. However, given that I am a fallible being, I have no way of knowing whether any of my beliefs are absolutely true.
Are you certain you exist?
Are you certain you love a certain person when you do?
Are you certain you see colors?
Are you certain you truly believe you are uncertain about everything?
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RE: Professor's Proposition: Only Two Logical Choices
September 26, 2012 at 9:07 pm
(September 26, 2012 at 9:00 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Are you certain you exist?
Rene Descartes Wrote:I think, therefore, I am
MysticKnight Wrote:Are you certain you love a certain person when you do? What is love, then? People say that it is intangible, so if you couldn't ever decide if you felt it, it wouldn't even exist, then.
MysticKnight Wrote:Are you certain you see colors? Yes, we have a certain understanding of the color spectrum and visible light.
MysticKnight Wrote:Are you certain you truly believe you are uncertain about everything? I don't believe that, but I suppose one could be uncertain in their belief of uncertainty (but would that prove they were uncertain of everything? What if they became aware of that fact and became certain they were uncertain? I'm not even going to try to sort that one out...)
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RE: Professor's Proposition: Only Two Logical Choices
September 26, 2012 at 9:15 pm
(September 26, 2012 at 2:59 pm)Blackrook Wrote: Ha, ha, there are a lot of CATHOLICS who don't know anything about transubstantiation so I wouldn't expect knowledge of this doctrine would be superior in a group of non-Catholics.
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RE: Professor's Proposition: Only Two Logical Choices
September 27, 2012 at 2:05 am
Descartes was an amateur.
(Though the part about him nailing the paws of dogs to a board and then cutting them open to reveal their beating hearts in order to demonstrate their lack of any real awareness of pain to be oddly, if a bit psychopathically, charming.)
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RE: Professor's Proposition: Only Two Logical Choices
September 27, 2012 at 3:12 am
(September 26, 2012 at 9:00 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Are you certain you exist?
Are you certain you love a certain person when you do?
Are you certain you see colors?
Are you certain you truly believe you are uncertain about everything? Certainty and absolute knowledge are completely different things.
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RE: Professor's Proposition: Only Two Logical Choices
October 16, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Which is to say, my father is not Catholic because he was brow-beat into it by his family, he is a devout Catholic because he used his intelligence to look into it and determined that the Catholic Church's claim to be the One True Faith are true.
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In 1604 - the Catholic Church Burned Giordano Bruno at the stake for saying that the Sun was a star - the earth orbited the sun - and the earth rotated on its AXIS - and other things that turned out to be true as well.
That same church convicted Galileo of heresy for similar "beliefs" as well as others.
ANY educated person who claims that the catholic church represents the one true faith - in the light of the above - is simply not thinking
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