Hell, or rather my brief experience of it.

[Something completely different]

I identified the reason I said what I said in post 94. You have confused yourself. The reason I posted that is because I know Cinjin's agruements, and that they generally follow the hate, and distain that Nazi propaganda was kn own for.

Now show me how they do, that is all I want to see.
Give me examples, because I dont see it.
Or do you have some "divine" sixt sence with which you can identify "nazi propaganda methods" in peoples way of making a point which hinders you at showing people what you see?

Again, asked and answered.

You havent answered anything so far.

Keep reading

I also Go on to say that Just because we did not know how things work 3000 years ago it doesn't mean we weren't meant to know.

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"doesn`t mean that we weren`t meant to know"?
Do you know how we found out how "things" worked?
The sun rotating the earth? Semmelweis discovery of germs?
Do you really think every single one of these discoveries came through devine revalation? Because this is the only conclusion one can come to after making such a statement as you did.

You ask:

I absolutly dont see how you bring the nazi-accusation into this. jet nazi propaganda! Have you ever seen or heared nazi propaganda?!

I gave you 4 examples of Nazi Propaganda. So yes i have seen or heard Actual Nazi propaganda.

How does it apply? The same hate and bigotry (Paired with 'facts') used in Nazi propaganda, is being mirrored by how cinjin pairs facts with distain and hate for God.

cinjin rejects god out of reasonable arguments concluded out of observation - therefor no hate of god - but rejection of deities.
And so do I!

Nazi propaganda specialised on demonising a certain part of mankind through attributing every single adjective with negative assosiation on this group of people. Nazi propaganda called for collective violence against not only the group but in some cases individuals.
Nazi propaganda ignored all facts and individual rights.

Where does cinjin call for massmurder? your extermination? and uses lies to back that up?

examples please!

No I am saying: "those who lie about historical facts to demonise people in todays sociial debates are moronic assholes of the worst kind."
If you cant prove that Cinjin uses "nazi reasoning" you are one of these moronic assholes, unless you apologise to him!

I am what I am.

so you acknowlege that you lie about historic facts to demonise your opponents?

Yes, anyone who has lived in America (outside of the tourist destinations) can tell you this.

Well why dont you tell me about it? and most importent of all; back your claims up with facts!

What are you talking about?

Are seriously trying to channel cultural exclusivity. (No one can know about Nazi's except those who were born german?)

I think Native Americans and maybe AfricanAmericans can do this and it is wearing thin on soceity. Germany lost that right in 1945.

I dont thing there is such a thing as cultural exclusivity.

But first of, I questioned your statement about native americans and blacks.

second. What experties do you think you have to say when a crime commited against a minority can be forgiven by that minority?
Because clearly that is what it comes to after making a statement like you made above.

Crazy germans.

So because i drew a paralell between Nazi's using 'facts/propaganda' to spread their hate and condemn those who do not accept their 'facts' as presented, and Cinjin doing the very same thing, Your saying that is somehow the same as me putting jews into camps during WWII?
ah, no.

So because every party in a democracy uses "facts""propaganda" in campain adds we should reject them all as fashist.
Your definition of nazi propaganda is delusional and pritty much defines every single "propaganda" add out there.
Totalitarian systems propaganda is very distinctive in it`s hatespeach and lies.

Now again! Show me those example in which cinjin uses nazi propaganda methods against you!
I will believe you if ayou show me!

And give me the example of where I state "that is the same as throwing people into concentration camps"

I did not call anyone a Nazi, I simply pointed out He was using a propaganda tatic made popular by the Nazis. If this makes me a bad person, then I am a bad person.

You pointed out nothing as long as you didn`t give proof by showing examples!

[Drich]

Now show me how they do, that is all I want to see.
Give me examples, because I dont see it.
Or do you have some "divine" sixt sence with which you can identify "nazi propaganda methods" in peoples way of making a point which hinders you at showing people what you see?

I identified one specific method of Nazi Propaganda. Using facts to propergate hate. Are you denying that Nazi's used facts to propergate hate?

You havent answered anything so far.

Not up for debate. If you did not read what was written or if you simply did not understand, then it is up to you to identify the areas where you remain ignorant. I will not restate an arguement you did not take the time to read or simply understand.

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"doesn`t mean that we weren`t meant to know"?
Do you know how we found out how "things" worked?
The sun rotating the earth? Semmelweis discovery of germs?
Do you really think every single one of these discoveries came through devine revalation?

Why would any sensable person think this? We learned through observation. Again just because an phenoma is observable does not mean it is not of God.

Because this is the only conclusion one can come to after making such a statement as you did.

Only if you wish to argue strawmen.

cinjin rejects god out of reasonable arguments concluded out of observation - therefor no hate of god - but rejection of deities.
And so do I!

You may believe this but your hero does not.

Nazi propaganda specialised on demonising a certain part of mankind through attributing every single adjective with negative assosiation on this group of people. Nazi propaganda called for collective violence against not only the group but in some cases individuals.
Nazi propaganda ignored all facts and individual rights.

And how did they do this? they took 'facts' and paired it with Hate. they pushed their interpertation of facts to the exclusion of all other possiable interpertations in order to 'prove' the Jews were not Human. they had to remove the title of humanity from the jews before any of the other things you mentioned were possiable. Your buddy cinjin has done something simliar. He has taken one very specific interpertation of a given set of facts to disprove the existance of God. If anyone were to take that same evidence and provide another interpertation, Cinny would attempt to remove the persons crediablity or attack the persons intelligence for not agreeing with his interpertation of the 'facts.' Look at his thread "That's embarrassing." He attacks his own father for not agreeing with his understanding of how the entertainment industry is run. This is type of Son turning on a Father to honor his propaganda, is what reminded me of a Judenrat. (Often times a young man who has bought into the german propaganda to sell out his own people. for those who do not know)

Where does cinjin call for massmurder? your extermination? and uses lies to back that up?

You have created a Red Herring Deutsch bag. I isolated one aspect of Nazi propaganda purposly and specifically and repeated it 5 or 6 times. They have employ facts to spread hate.

so you acknowlege that you lie about historic facts to demonise your opponents?

Beggs the question

Well why dont you tell me about it? and most importent of all; back your claims up with facts!

Not revelant to Hell, Nazis or cinjin.

I dont thing there is such a thing as cultural exclusivity.

says the Übermensch

second. What experties do you think you have to say when a crime commited against a minority can be forgiven by that minority?
Because clearly that is what it comes to after making a statement like you made above.

Not everyone on this forum has blonde hair and blue eyes. Some even could be considered mischling.

So because every party in a democracy uses "facts""propaganda" in campain adds we should reject them all as fashist.
Your definition of nazi propaganda is delusional and pritty much defines every single "propaganda" add out there.
Totalitarian systems propaganda is very distinctive in it`s hatespeach and lies.

Now again! Show me those example in which cinjin uses nazi propaganda methods against you!
I will believe you if ayou show me!

And give me the example of where I state "that is the same as throwing people into concentration camps"

wow, deusche-lusional as well. i bet you wife/husband loves disagreeing with you. You completely misrepersent Everything that the other person says. It's almost like you look for key words and then proceed to argue the stero-typical arguement against those key words EVEN if it has absolutly nothing to do with what is being discussed.

You pointed out nothing as long as you didn`t give proof by showing examples!

Pearls before swine. what more 'proof' can i give? I completely deconstructed my arguement identified the paralells between what was said by a member of this board, and how it compares to Nazi propaganda, but you do not want to address this. you want me to provide proof on how everything that was ever said by cinny, is to match every single aspect of Nazi propaganda. This is a red herring, for i have from the beginning identified one aspect of cinny's arguement that paralells N/P.

Again Either you are being idiotic or obstinate.
Eitherway i am going to have to 'chicken out' of the rest of this discussion if you insist on staying the course.

[DeistPaladin]

TGAC, Drich can't learn, he can't reason and he can't admit he's wrong. This is the same guy who thinks a bad dream counts as evidence of something.

[Drich]

TGAC, Drich can't learn, he can't reason and he can't admit he's wrong. This is the same guy who thinks a bad dream counts as evidence of something.

For absolutly no one else on this planet except for me.

Just like if and when you get married your wife/husband only has to proove themselves to you, and that 'proof' can mean absolutly nothing to everyone else, but to you it is enough to commit your life to. All I have done here is give you all an example of the personal 'proof' God is more than willing to share with any of you.

I had an exceedingly hard and evil heart, one who taunted God and questioned the severity of Hell. I needed to see Hell to get past my ownself. Not all experiences will wind up their. God knows who you are and exactly what you need to establish and maintain a solid faith. If you just A/S/K

[Norfolk And Chance]

Shut up you fucking cock.

[Ben Davis]

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TGAC, Drich can't learn, he can't reason and he can't admit he's wrong. This is the same guy who thinks a bad dream counts as evidence of something.

For absolutly no one else on this planet except for me.

Just like if and when you get married your wife/husband only has to proove themselves to you, and that 'proof' can mean absolutly nothing to everyone else, but to you it is enough to commit your life to. All I have done here is give you all an example of the personal 'proof' God is more than willing to share with any of you.

I had an exceedingly hard and evil heart, one who taunted God and questioned the severity of Hell. I needed to see Hell to get past my ownself. Not all experiences will wind up their. God knows who you are and exactly what you need to establish and maintain a solid faith. If you just A/S/K

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FFS Drich, that's the most pretentious post I've read in a loooong time.

[Drich]

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For absolutly no one else on this planet except for me.

Just like if and when you get married your wife/husband only has to proove themselves to you, and that 'proof' can mean absolutly nothing to everyone else, but to you it is enough to commit your life to. All I have done here is give you all an example of the personal 'proof' God is more than willing to share with any of you.

I had an exceedingly hard and evil heart, one who taunted God and questioned the severity of Hell. I needed to see Hell to get past my ownself. Not all experiences will wind up their. God knows who you are and exactly what you need to establish and maintain a solid faith. If you just A/S/K

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FFS Drich, that's the most pretentious post I've read in a loooong time.

Then you simply do not understand what is being communicated here. God is willing to give any one who Ask/Seeks/Knocks the same personal Type of "proof" He gave me. This experience in Hell was for me alone, (as none of you were sent to Hell with me) but You ALL Have the Same Oppertunity to Also A/S/K to obtain your own proof.

[Gambit]

And how did they do this? they took 'facts' and paired it with Hate. they pushed their interpertation of facts to the exclusion of all other possiable interpertations in order to 'prove' the Jews were not Human. they had to remove the title of humanity from the jews before any of the other things you mentioned were possiable. Your buddy cinjin has done something simliar. He has taken one very specific interpertation of a given set of facts to disprove the existance of God. If anyone were to take that same evidence and provide another interpertation, Cinny would attempt to remove the persons crediablity or attack the persons intelligence for not agreeing with his interpertation of the 'facts.' Look at his thread "That's embarrassing." He attacks his own father for not agreeing with his understanding of how the entertainment industry is run. This is type of Son turning on a Father to honor his propaganda, is what reminded me of a Judenrat. (Often times a young man who has bought into the german propaganda to sell out his own people. for those who do not know)

Your analogies are so deeply flawed it is hard to know where to even start. There is a big fucking difference between pushing propaganda that is based on absolutely zero facts (The Jews were not human), and calling someone out on stating as fact, that which does not have a shred of proof to support it (The existence of God, and everything that encompasses). The alleged propagandists are on completely opposite sides of the spectrum of facts. In simple terms, we know that all Jews on Earth are human, not all humans are Jews, but all humans can become Jews. That is a fucking no brainer. Now, on the other end of the scale we have God. Nobody has proven its existence, yet billions of people keep insisting it exists, while ignoring every fact they are presented with. Brace yourself, Drich... by your own analogy, your thinking is more close linked to those Nazi propagandists than those that you accuse. Which is rather ironic, given that accusing the enemy of that which you are guilty of is, another very well known propaganda tactic purportedly used by Nazis.

[Borunel]

Aww. what happened?did you reach the end of Psychology 201? Or did you simply think that i would run from any structured scrutiny?

You had a bad dream - if in fact it actually happened. You are not the only person ever to have exceptionally vivid dreams or feel particularly moved by one, its not an unusual or special occurrence and interpret it as you will, it cannot be an undeniable sign of or from something external to yourself.

Structured scrutiny? You didn't say whether you were physically sick at the time, were drunk, drugged, whether your boiler was leaking fumes. Were you too hot, too cold, dehydrated? Any of these would trigger a bad dream but I daresay that if any of them were true you wouldn't admit to them at this point of course. You have already implied though that you were mentally agitated at the time you had the dream.

Crucially, in what you have explained you didn't dream anything that was out of yours or what any simple human experience could extrapolate.

So really all we have is that you have had a dream and you have interpreted it a certain way and now are arguing the point against a bunch of people who don't agree with your interpretation.

What are you trying to achieve?

[Ben Davis]

Then you simply do not understand what is being communicated here.

Err... yeah I do. If you don't see the pretention in your comments, it's you who has the lack of understanding.

God is willing to give any one who Ask/Seeks/Knocks the same personal Type of "proof" He gave me.

No he's not. The number of people who've sincerely made exactly the same request and heard nothing is the evidence of this fallacy.

This experience in Hell was for me alone, (as none of you were sent to Hell with me)

But it's not for you alone, is it. You clearly feel a responsibility to share the experience and that makes it fair game for criticism.

You ALL Have the Same Oppertunity to Also A/S/K to obtain your own proof.

The whole A/S/K acronym is the most pretentious part. As if you're marketing your own business model for salvation... shame.