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God doesn't lie because he says so.
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 God doesn't lie because he says so.
November 13, 2012 at 3:12 pm
(This post was last modified: November 13, 2012 at 3:13 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
God doesn't lie because he says so. The Bible is true because it says so.
Never mind circular reasoning, what about the question begging fallacy? 
Hmmm......
2 Samuel 7 Quote:11 and have done ever since the time I appointed leaders[a] over my people Israel. I will also give you rest from all your enemies. So..."god" doesn't lie but he did because David's throne...had it existed at all.... ended when the Babylonians overran the city in 586. So "god" is a bullshit artist but the bible can still be "true" because it reports the lie. Oh, but then there is that problem of it also reporting that "god" can not lie. Such problems for the dorks to work out. 
Don't they claim that god can be deceitful even though he can't lie?
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
 (November 13, 2012 at 3:12 pm)DoubtVsFaith Wrote: God doesn't lie because he says so. The Bible is true because it says so. This has been put in may versions. Can God make a boulder so big even he couldn't lift it. I hate this dodge saying "God says he wouldn't lie" How would you know if he is "all powerfull". By context of definition he has to have the power to lie otherwise there is no reason to call it a god. If it can lie, then how would you know simply by "take my word for it". God/god/s are fictional. So what we object to is a concept in the form of a claimed atribute. "All" does not imply limits, so lying has to be part of the "all". Just like if God can make a boulder so big he couldn't lift it, would make him limited. If he cant make a boulder so big he cant lift it, he is also limited. Thus the claimed attribute is a broken concept as a claim. Cherry picking is the only way one can swallow such tripe. Not to mention the idea of a disembodied brain with no brain and magical super powers is, by itself absurd. RE: God doesn't lie because he says so.
November 13, 2012 at 4:23 pm
(This post was last modified: November 13, 2012 at 4:24 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
I've never thought about the fact that if God can't lie then he's not omnipotent. Good point.
As for the "Can God create a rock that he can't lift?" I believe that that commits the loaded question fallacy.  
The perfect god of the mind cannot lie. But as a character I'm convinced that he indeed is capable of that trait. Otherwise he would be a boring character with no dept and three-dimensionality. As a a character (to his believers) such a trait would be unforgivable, but to us, reading the fairy-tale as the story it is, it just makes it more morbid and fascinating, though horrifying.
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura
 (November 13, 2012 at 4:23 pm)DoubtVsFaith Wrote: I've never thought about the fact that if God can't lie then he's not omnipotent. Good point.It's not that God can't lie, but He doesn't lie. Theists believe that God is truthful/trustworthy and He won't do something which goes against His own attributes (truthful being one of them). Therefore, He's not going to lie. That doesn't mean that He "can't" lie. RE: God doesn't lie because he says so.
November 13, 2012 at 5:12 pm
(This post was last modified: November 13, 2012 at 5:12 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
Ok, scratch that.
But like the OP says: Why should we believe that God doesn't lie? Because he says so? |
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