Pro-porn, anti-porn or in between?

[Kousbroek]

If only you could speak german,

Who says i can't ? ....

[Gilgamesh]

I'm in between, I understand porn alone isn't anything special. But however there needs to be limits to what people can put out as porn because some of it is getting very, very disturbing.

There is nothing too disturbing for two consenting adults.

[Vincenzo Vinny G.]

No not imo.

Then you're a sick person, with sick thoughts. On the other hand I could be desensitized to violence and I may be the sick person.

Violence is not abnormal. It pervades every aspect of our lives. The very meat you eat experienced an act of violence to bring it to preparation.

I see no problem with constructive, functional violence in our lives. Although that too must be balanced and not taken overboard.

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Can Vincent provide the studies on which he bases the argument that porn has a damaging effect?

If I google in english language, I mostly am directed to american based sites ranting about "negative effects" without eaven showing any studies on human behavior to actualy prove anything.

You americans and your neurotic puritan set of values. tz tz tz.

Europe loves Sex!

http://www.welt.de/vermischtes/article20...ndert.html

It seems quite stupid that you don't know the difference between sex and porn.

As well it seems stupid that you call Americans puritans when it's the US porn industry that holds the lions share of the revenue and production worldwide compared to the EU. And even in the EU, the reliance on actresses is primarily exploiting east-European women.

Probably because west-European women are too prudish? But perhaps this was an innocent mistake.

In terms of the science, it's difficult. Because people who use porn excessively often self-report as if they are normal. Just like people who smoke self-report that their fitness is normal.

There is no measure of health to compare to, and it's embarrassing for these people to self-report dysfunctions in their lives. And then we have, as you noticed, the ideologues in the debate. The crazy activists.

So it's difficult to find good science. Look for the citations in the following links:

http://www.ansa.it/web/notizie/rubriche/...60579.html

http://yourbrainonporn.com/middleburry-c...lames-porn

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16497122

Researchers are also saying that the field of non-drug addiction studies is fairly new, so it's challenging. But these claims are being made by academics and professionals.

Not shitty Americans, those people you hate so much.

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It seems quite stupid that you don't know the difference between sex and porn.

You seem to have no idea what the term "sexuality" means.

Masturbation is just as much part of that individuals sexuality as having sex with a partner.

If you see sexuality as only having sex with a partner - you are mentaly still locked in the 1950s and missed the 1960s.

As well it seems stupid that you call Americans puritans when it's the US porn industry that holds the lions share of the revenue and production worldwide compared to the EU. And even in the EU, the reliance on actresses is primarily exploiting east-European women.

I know that a big part of the European porn industry exploits east european women.

And what the fuck! has the lion share of the profit got to do with this argument?

I was talking about the puritan influence within the american sociaty!

You wont find such hysterical protest against the erotic industry and general sexual openes and education within europe, as there is within the US.

But guess what, I actualy personaly know a couple who film themselves during sex.
And there are loads of such couples out there.

And I didn`t call americans puritans. I stated that american sociatial norms are strongly influenced by puritanism.

Probably because west-European women are too prudish? But perhaps this was an innocent mistake.

????

In terms of the science, it's difficult. Because people who use porn excessively often self-report as if they are normal. Just like people who smoke self-report that their fitness is normal.

Can you actualy make a statement which makes eaven less sence?

"In terms of science"????? behavioral studies are conducted under a garantee of anonymity and hence almoust allways bring realistic results.

Do you have any idea how studies are conducted?

There is no measure of health to compare to, and it's embarrassing for these people to self-report dysfunctions in their lives. And then we have, as you noticed, the ideologues in the debate. The crazy activists.

You dont have a single scientific study which proves this behavior to be dysfunctional jet you still call it dysfunctional.

crazy activists?????

So it's difficult to find good science. Look for the citations in the following links:

You only posted one link to a scientific paper.

and what the fuck is "good science"???????????????

studies which deliver results that fit into your worldview?

http://www.ansa.it/web/notizie/rubriche/...60579.html

Agenzia Nazionale Stampa Associata does not publish scientific papers!
It is a newschannel! A strongly catholic influenced italian newschannel!
Do you understand the meaning of the word "scientific paper"?

http://yourbrainonporn.com/middleburry-c...lames-porn

A article by Saadiah Shmidt.

Who studied psycology and economics.

And is member of a feminist activist group.........................

The article starting with the assertion without any studies or facts to back things up ............. that porn causes erectile problems.
Actualy this only brings one to the conclusion that masturbation causes erectile problems - which is a claim long disproven to be a worthless fearmongering Kelloges christian piece of steaming shit!

I didn`t continue after this.

Dishonest in the beginning - I conclude the rest of it will be dishonest aswell

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16497122


Researchers are also saying that the field of non-drug addiction studies is fairly new, so it's challenging. But these claims are being made by academics and professionals.

Oh I never doughted that it makes addictive.

But you dont seem to understand that addictive behavior can apply towrds alot of things.

People can be addicted to all sorts of things.

And the study above.

The only actual scientific study you posted. Is not centered arrounf internet porn only but arround internet addiction in total.

Not shitty Americans, those people you hate so much.

Never claimed hate.

Build your strawman in some other garden and bang your shitstick of a worthless strawmanargument against something else!

American sociaty is under a very strong puritan influence - therefor very prude.

Jet again. Your arguments here are just as stupid as in the social darwinism thread - hence I again have to question your motivation.

[Vincenzo Vinny G.]

http://www.ansa.it/web/notizie/rubriche/...60579.html

Agenzia Nazionale Stampa Associata does not publish scientific papers!
It is a newschannel! A strongly catholic influenced italian newschannel!
Do you understand the meaning of the word "scientific paper"?

Are you stupid?

The study cited in that article was done by the head of the Italian subdivision of the European Society of Sexual Medicine: SOCIETA' ITALIANA DI ANDROLOGIA E MEDICINA DELLA SESSUALITA' http://www.essm.org/society/affiliated/siams.html

Who cares whether they are catholic? Do I assume you can't talk about minorities or racial equality if you are German?

Dumbass.

I think your problem is you are a porn addict and you don't want to acknowledge its ill effects. No problem. It's actually better you spill your genes into a tissue rather than make someone pregnant and ruin the future for us.

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[quote='Vincenzo "Vinny" G.' pid='368330' dateline='1354331052']


[quote]Are you stupid?

The study cited in that article was done by the head of the Italian subdivision of the European Society of Sexual Medicine: SOCIETA' ITALIANA DI ANDROLOGIA E MEDICINA DELLA SESSUALITA' http://www.essm.org/society/affiliated/siams.html[/quote]

nope. I just dont trust em!

The catholic church is notorious for infiltrating and influencing every single part of italian sociaty including the scientific comunity.

If I trust anyone on that subject, it is modern clinical universities. Such as Hamburg and Vienna.

[quote]Who cares whether they are catholic? Do I assume you can't talk about minorities or racial equality if you are German?

Dumbass.
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Yeah I guess that kind of silly rethoric underlines what kind of a shallow mindset you have.

[quote]I think your problem is you are a porn addict and you don't want to acknowledge its ill effects. No problem. It's actually better you spill your genes into a tissue rather than make someone pregnant and ruin the future for us.[/quote]

Underlines eaven more what a pathetic waste of organs you are.

Make someone pregnant? When I have sex this is currently the last thing I want!

Funny how you can base an argument on german stereotyps and then base the following argument on eugenics.

[Vincenzo Vinny G.]

All of Europe is on board with the quality of the medical and scientific work in Italy. Their study is made public and presented at conferences and published in peer-review journals, even outside of Italy.

But your racism means you can't accept their work as equal in quality.

Wow.

[LastPoet]

Who cares whether they are catholic? Do I assume you can't talk about minorities or racial equality if you are German?

Right! Because you know, the catoholics dont usually show their biases towards human sexuality. After all it isn't them that harp on abstinence, sex only to procreate, homossexuality is a sin, no rubbers, etc, etc...

Yeah, they are totally impartial there.

The difference between Germans and the RCC, dear Vinny, is while Germany has grown out of nazism, turning into a modern humanist country, the fucktards at the RCC still hold their stupidifying ideas that somehow the most powerfull fairy on the universe really cares what tiny animals do with their sexual parts. But that won't help your rethoric, does it?



Porn, fuck yeah!

[JohnDG]

'The_Germans_are_coming'
'Vincenzo "Vinny" G.'
My two favorite people to see conversing, I bet Germans will give in first.

By the way Germany has a long way to go in my book. It's not like they go around the world defending people from racial prejudice or genocide, not taking a stance is also taking a stance.

[Vincenzo Vinny G.]

Who cares whether they are catholic? Do I assume you can't talk about minorities or racial equality if you are German?

Right! Because you know, the catoholics dont usually show their biases towards human sexuality. After all it isn't them that harp on abstinence, sex only to procreate, homossexuality is a sin, no rubbers, etc, etc...

Yeah, they are totally impartial there.

The difference between Germans and the RCC, dear Vinny, is while Germany has grown out of nazism, turning into a modern humanist country, the fucktards at the RCC still hold their stupidifying ideas that somehow the most powerfull fairy on the universe really cares what tiny animals do with their sexual parts. But that won't help your rethoric, does it?



Porn, fuck yeah!

....So these "criminals" enter a scientific institution, perform a false study, producing fraudulent data, while escaping all oversight, control and regulations, as they successfully trick every regulator and overseer in multiple agencies, both nationally, within the EU and internationally. Amazing.

Not only that, they will also manage to trick the peer review board, as well EVERY SINGLE ATTENDEE at the conference in which their study was PUBLICLY PRESENTED (at the SIAMS conference), who are fooled by their false claims not only AT THE CONFERENCE, but even after they do followups! Phenomenal.

Not only that, but these scientists are no doubt so foolish/confident so as to commit fraud and thereby risk losing all the money and time they have poured into their careers, earning academic degrees and hours doing research. Insane!

And all this, to produce one little study which produces one little result that you don't like.

For real?

LastPoet, you are, officially....the biggest idiot I have encountered on an internet forum. I tip my hat. I didn't think such a high concentration of stupidity was metaphysically feasible. The weakness of your intellect is so profound, it makes reality feel like a dream. There is no way the resounding stupidity you embody could have snuck into our gene pool and survive so long without it being a miracle. The fact that something so deeply dumb exists frightens me. The fact that you can form words astounds me. The fact that you have managed to figure out how to use a computer- it blows my mind. You are not the bottom of the barrel as far as intelligence is concerned. The underside of the barrel is too high for you. Decomposing cabbages have shown more intelligence than you. A sack of rocks will think clearer than you. A floating turd carrying an umbrella and speaking in a Liverpudlian accent while moonwalking sideways up a living room wall makes as much sense as you. If your head could be any emptier, it would be used as a vacuum in the Large Hadron Collider. If your stupidity appeared on my TV, the screen would explode. If I heard your stupidity on a radio, the feedback would level my entire state. If I even looked at you, my eyes would be burned by the power of a stupidity so intense, it would be like a thousand suns. Behind a thousand sunglasses. The revelation of your complete stupidity has become a landmark event in mathematics. For the first time we have discovered a quantity larger than infinity. My friend, I am awestruck to be in the presence of the epic glory that you represent. I am literally quaking in my seat as I consider the magnificence of your presence.

You. Win.