More shootings.

[Minimalist]

I can't help but notice that you left handguns out of the equation, Pap.

Serious omission.

[popeyespappy]

I can't help but notice that you left handguns out of the equation, Pap.

Serious omission.

Not really since most of the recent discussion in Washington has been about banning assault rifles not handguns. Because you know the rifle on bottom just has to be a bajillion times more dangerous than the one on the top.

[Autumnlicious]

Can I get those statistics in number of victims per criminal?

If we're comparing statistics, which you have decided to do, let's get real and look at them all, right down to the length of time an attack takes place.

Also, leaving handgun statistics out but bringing up the entire grouping of knives?

Hellooooo cherry picking.

[Napoléon]

In 2011 more than 5 times as many people were murdered in the US with knives than with assault rifles. More than twice as many were killed without any weapon at all, and at least half again as many were murdered with clubs.

Rifles (Includes but not limited to assault rifles) – 323
Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.) - 496 - 154%
Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.) - 728 - 225%
Knives or cutting instruments - 1,694 - 524%

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cri...ta-table-8

First off the data you provided doesn't specify as you say it does "includes but not limited to assault rifles", in fact it makes no mention of assault rifles. It simply says rifles. From my experience (I play lots of war games, I'm pretty convinced I know my guns) a 'rifle' doesn't automatically constitute an assault rifle. They're two different things. But hey, maybe that's wishful thinking on my part, I'll give it to you anyway.

Even with that data, I like how you conveniently ignored and left out the stats about murders by handguns...

Which is: 6,220.

Work me out the percentage difference between that and knives for me would ya?

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Hellooooo cherry picking.

I think he was banking that we wouldn't actually bother reading it.

[A Theist]

In 2011 more than 5 times as many people were murdered in the US with knives than with assault rifles. More than twice as many were killed without any weapon at all, and at least half again as many were murdered with clubs.

Rifles (Includes but not limited to assault rifles) – 323
Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.) - 496 - 154%
Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.) - 728 - 225%
Knives or cutting instruments - 1,694 - 524%

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cri...ta-table-8

First off the data you provided doesn't specify as you say it does "includes but not limited to assault rifles", in fact it makes no mention of assault rifles. It simply says rifles. From my experience (I play lots of war games, I'm pretty convinced I know my guns) a 'rifle' doesn't automatically constitute an assault rifle. They're two different things. But hey, maybe that's wishful thinking on my part, I'll give it to you anyway.

Even with that data, I like how you conveniently ignored and left out the stats about murders by handguns...

Which is: 6,220.

Work me out the percentage difference between that and knives for me would ya?

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Hellooooo cherry picking.

I think he was banking that we wouldn't actually bother reading it.

(I play lots of war games, I'm pretty convinced I know my guns)

.....There you have it, Pappy....Nappy plays lots of war games....You can't argue with the experts....

[Minimalist]

http://apnews.excite.com/article/2012122...B6L04.html

HOUSTON (AP) - A Houston traffic stop ended with a gunman shooting and killing a police officer and a bystander on Christmas Eve in the parking lot of a body shop, police said.

"The saddest thing is that the officer, who is deceased, didn't have the opportunity to pull his weapon and defend himself," Cannon said. "It happened that fast."

Maybe the cop wasn't "trained" well enough?

Wonder what his family thinks of the second fucking amendment this morning?

[CapnAwesome]

First off the data you provided doesn't specify as you say it does "includes but not limited to assault rifles", in fact it makes no mention of assault rifles. It simply says rifles. From my experience (I play lots of war games, I'm pretty convinced I know my guns) a 'rifle' doesn't automatically constitute an assault rifle. They're two different things. But hey, maybe that's wishful thinking on my part, I'll give it to you anyway.

So what you are saying is that even less people are killed by assault rifles than that statistic suggests. I'm not entirely sure how exactly that either A. counts as you catching him. or B. Makes your point in any meaningful way.

[Brakeman]

http://apnews.excite.com/article/2012122...B6L04.html

HOUSTON (AP) - A Houston traffic stop ended with a gunman shooting and killing a police officer and a bystander on Christmas Eve in the parking lot of a body shop, police said.

"The saddest thing is that the officer, who is deceased, didn't have the opportunity to pull his weapon and defend himself," Cannon said. "It happened that fast."

Maybe the cop wasn't "trained" well enough?

Wonder what his family thinks of the second fucking amendment this morning?

Speaking skeptically, how did the Police spokesman know whether he didn't have the opportunity to draw? From the story the policeman and the suspect argued for a number of minutes. The suspect's weapon must have been concealed at that time. Otherwise the officer would have been arguing with an armed intruder without drawing his own weapon.. a training no - no. The officer's training would be to first assess whether the suspect was armed so, if the officer was not lax, then the weapon was well hid. Then the officer would have had to have broken visual contact with the man's hands to allow him to dig for his guns, another training no - no.
Otherwise a perp would have had to outdraw a cop from a concealed position over an open hip holster, something training should not have allowed.
In contrast to you, I would think that his lack of attention to his training is exactly what got him killed, even without seeing the video, if it exists.

More to the point though, it is a terrible situation that there are so many guns in the hands of so many criminals, such that in a moment of human failure, a cop does not lose his life, and a bystander coming to the aid of the cop is not also killed.

Frankly, why is a man without empathy, a psychopath, walking our streets? We need to kill these people like rabid dogs, socially speaking. But we won't. What is the cause for the "rabies" of men becoming psychopaths?

[Phish]

What about the children your country killed in other parts of the world? In Afghanistan,Iraq,Vietnam,... What about those children who were killed and no one doesn't care about them,no one brings them flowers to their grave because their family are dead,everything they loved is gone destroyed,how can you even sleep at night knowing you are a part of such government,and EU is not far behind USA

[popeyespappy]

Even with that data, I like how you conveniently ignored and left out the stats about murders by handguns...

Which is: 6,220.

Work me out the percentage difference between that and knives for me would ya?

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Hellooooo cherry picking.

I think he was banking that we wouldn't actually bother reading it.

I answered the thing about handguns when Min brought it up. The bill that Fienstein is going to bring up in the senate next week will attempt to ban assault rifles not handguns. Assault rifles are only used in a small fraction of America's shooting deaths each year. The number of deaths by assault rifles has been on a steady downward trend for years despite millions of new ones becoming available since the end of the last ban. Last year the number of deaths attributed to assault rifles was something less than 323. More than 5 times that many people were killed with edged weapons during the same period. I'm not sure how much less because the FBI numbers don't differentiate between assault rifles and other rifles, but I know all of deaths caused by rifles were not via assault rifle because the stats in California and Chicago do report that data, and all the deaths attributed to rifles in those places were not via assault rifles.

The point of all this is the legislation that will be introduced in the senate next year doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of producing any kind of significant reduction in the number of murders in the US. That’s even if it passes which is unlikely because in case you can’t tell there is a lot of opposition to gun control legislation in this country. Much of that opposition among the population in general comes from people that don’t want to see restrictions on what we can own but wouldn’t mind seeing improvements in the system for performing background checks and mental health reporting. It would be better to expend our energies on legislation that requires mental health and social services professionals to report suspect individuals into a system that actually keeps up with them. Those are the kinds of changes that have a better chance of becoming law and could actually make a difference.